So the mechanics make me believe that Zader could be viable on grievous with Sun Fac in the party. The reasoning behind this is that the dots only tic at the start of Grievous turn, so he won't get 100% tm from them (because he already has 100% tm) even though he will still get the speed up and cd reset. Now he will AoE because his cd has reset, which will make Sun Fac counter attack him and dispel the buff. This means that he wouldn't get extra turns from Zader's permaDoTs, only if he got the buff through other means could he do so, and it would still only be for the rush to that turn, it wouldn't hurry in his next couple.Basically, I think the inclusion of Sun Fac not only makes Zader viable, it almost makes him preferable since the speed from the buff could basically be completely eliminated using this combo.

Before he AoE attacks he gives another ally droid 100%TM and Taunt (this is part of Tactical maneuvering ability.So if the adds are there and not shocked, buff immune or dazed then Sun fac will counter the taunting droid.The Buff has absolutely nothing to do with him gaining the 100% turn meter on the 7th time he takes damage. If he has buff immunity on the 7th time taking damage he doesn't gain the buff but all other parts of the tactical maneuvering ability still trigger including the TM gain. I believe the dots just keep him going over and over, don't have zeta vader so I can't test, but I am pretty sure I have seen videos of it happening.Please share the results of the test but if he goes over and over with 7+ dots then sun fac will make 0 difference in breaking that chain

"scuba;c-1067525" wrote:Before he AoE attacks he gives another ally droid 100%TM and Taunt (this is part of Tactical maneuvering ability.So if the adds are there and not shocked, buff immune or dazed then Sun fac will counter the taunting droid.The Buff has absolutely nothing to do with him gaining the 100% turn meter on the 7th time he takes damage. If he has buff immunity on the 7th time taking damage he doesn't gain the buff but all other parts of the tactical maneuvering ability still trigger including the TM gain. I believe the dots just keep him going over and over, don't have zeta vader so I can't test, but I am pretty sure I have seen videos of it happening.Please share the results of the test but if he goes over and over with 7+ dots then sun fac will make 0 difference in breaking that chainIt would be a while before I can test it. I don't have a zeta Vader, and he is far down on my list of people to get one. If you watch this video though, you will see that he doesn't just get full tm over and over though. His tm just fill up Uber fast when he has the buff for some unknown reason (since people aren't damaging the adds enough to give him the amount of tm he's getting).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfju0MsDSWU

@scuba There is certainly something a little goofy with the way it works. I'm getting the feeling that if he has double buffs, the effect will apply both right when it happens and at the end of the turn so it's entirely possible that clearing the buffs might keep the second application from happening.

It's weird to me that people strategize for p1 when a single zylo can perform the task without losing any squad. I guess it still could be fun just to test it out, though ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. IMO.

"Noataq;c-1067876" wrote:It's weird to me that people strategize for p1 when a single zylo can perform the task without losing any squad. I guess it still could be fun just to test it out, though ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. IMO. I get that. To me, it's far more fun to come up with new and interesting ways to do things than just doing the same thing as everyone else, especially if it involves a method that everyone else has called bad.

Theorycrafting: Zader with Sun Fac on Grievous.

scuba75
Seasoned Rookie
8 years ago
Before he AoE attacks he gives another ally droid 100%TM and Taunt (this is part of Tactical maneuvering ability.

So if the adds are there and not shocked, buff immune or dazed then Sun fac will counter the taunting droid.

The Buff has absolutely nothing to do with him gaining the 100% turn meter on the 7th time he takes damage. If he has buff immunity on the 7th time taking damage he doesn't gain the buff but all other parts of the tactical maneuvering ability still trigger including the TM gain.

I believe the dots just keep him going over and over, don't have zeta vader so I can't test, but I am pretty sure I have seen videos of it happening.

Please share the results of the test but if he goes over and over with 7+ dots then sun fac will make 0 difference in breaking that chain
almightywood
8 years ago
"scuba;c-1067525" wrote:
Before he AoE attacks he gives another ally droid 100%TM and Taunt (this is part of Tactical maneuvering ability.

So if the adds are there and not shocked, buff immune or dazed then Sun fac will counter the taunting droid.

The Buff has absolutely nothing to do with him gaining the 100% turn meter on the 7th time he takes damage. If he has buff immunity on the 7th time taking damage he doesn't gain the buff but all other parts of the tactical maneuvering ability still trigger including the TM gain.

I believe the dots just keep him going over and over, don't have zeta vader so I can't test, but I am pretty sure I have seen videos of it happening.

Please share the results of the test but if he goes over and over with 7+ dots then sun fac will make 0 difference in breaking that chain

It would be a while before I can test it. I don't have a zeta Vader, and he is far down on my list of people to get one.

If you watch this video though, you will see that he doesn't just get full tm over and over though. His tm just fill up Uber fast when he has the buff for some unknown reason (since people aren't damaging the adds enough to give him the amount of tm he's getting).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfju0MsDSWU
almightywood
8 years ago
@scuba There is certainly something a little goofy with the way it works. I'm getting the feeling that if he has double buffs, the effect will apply both right when it happens and at the end of the turn so it's entirely possible that clearing the buffs might keep the second application from happening.
korrasami7
8 years ago
It's weird to me that people strategize for p1 when a single zylo can perform the task without losing any squad. I guess it still could be fun just to test it out, though ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. IMO.
almightywood
8 years ago
"Noataq;c-1067876" wrote:
It's weird to me that people strategize for p1 when a single zylo can perform the task without losing any squad. I guess it still could be fun just to test it out, though ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. IMO.

I get that. To me, it's far more fun to come up with new and interesting ways to do things than just doing the same thing as everyone else, especially if it involves a method that everyone else has called bad.
jesse812
8 years ago
Zylo is useless for a lot of guilds
jesse812
8 years ago
P1 can be over in literally a minute or 2. So for someone trying to get a personal high p1 score there is a desire to experiment
LordStyling
8 years ago
Tho it's fun to theory craft

this is a hard squad to beat:
(fast and effective)

https://youtu.be/KV_ZTZ7p5f4

That was my first ever attempt with igd lead.
Since then, I've been able to reach 28-30%.

And one Zylo can take it down (just slowly lol)

Plus, I prefer to keep Zader for p2 or even p3-4.
jesse812
8 years ago
For sure, I'll take an extremely efficient 700k-1mil plus in p1 anyday. Better damage potential in other phases
MeMyMo9
8 years ago
Tried it on normal and sunfac just spends his time removing taunt from adds, didnt really add anything..