So, as someone who didn't whale on Revan I'm trying to work out why he ALWAYS targets traya. I've asked around and the best answer I've found is this:"If he doesn't target Traya, she isolates him and its game over."So, every other toon in the game is subject to RNG, but Revan isn't? He will always target traya because if he doesn't, he won't hold on defence and there fore would be useless in arena. Say it ain't so... If it's really only for that reason I'd say that's pretty messed up. I'm glad he was introduced but the whole premise of arena battles was based on RNG, now we have one toon targeting another because her special ability is better than his, if she's gets to land it on him. Someone's gotta be joking right?

The AI has always been subject to RNG too... It's like it's hard-coded into the AI, which has never been done before. The AI doesn't always choose the right toon. This new mechanic does. So basically people who paid for him not only paid for the toon, they paid for the privilege to not have to deal with RNG on defence. That is a joke...

As stated above the AI is NOT random. It has many hard coded features based on stats and other in game factors.They didn't remove RNG from revan, they made him to be a hard counter.

The AI has always been predictable and easy to manipulate, as it follows a specific coded pattern, Revans is just easy to spot, but it's nothing new, as it has been like that always, just not as easy to spot

"Jeric;c-1677287" wrote:Good AI design should never involve randomness, and should always take into account the opposition stats and comps. With some AI actions it is dependent on the parameter passed during a condition check. In some the parameter is a stat, in this case it’s a character. This is actually how a good static AI is designed if it is supposed to be challenging. Revan always targeting Traya if available is actually legitimately better AI design than random targeting. This is how a human would play that team intelligently and that should be the goal for game developer AI. So what you're saying is right, I'm not going dispute that fact. AI should always think like a human as best as possible. However we just had another legendary character released a few weeks before Revan, who would also benefit from that logic. Chewy. If ran with Zolo the biggest threat from the other team is always traya, yet it's always random who they both attack first. So, maybe there needs to be an AI stat introduced into the game so we can all farm "smart" characters to put on defence... It's a joke buddy, I'm glad you're enjoying your Revan :-)

This can't be the reason | EA Forums

50 Replies

aka_mannah
7 years ago
"Bulldog1205;c-1677451" wrote:
Can we complain about the characters the AI doesn’t make the right choice on, instead of the ones it does?

It seems to be anyone other than Traya and Revan. Thrawn fractures randomly, RJT dispels randomly...

One would think they would be smart toons too
Drazz127
7 years ago
Traya generally isolates the opposing DN because he generally has the highest health / protection pool. Game designers knew DN would typically be the highest health protection pool from all of the debuffs. Thus it makes mirror matches between trayas more difficult that they would be otherwise.
BTTripleZero
7 years ago
"Aka_mannah;c-1678162" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;c-1677451" wrote:
Can we complain about the characters the AI doesn’t make the right choice on, instead of the ones it does?

It seems to be anyone other than Traya and Revan. Thrawn fractures randomly, RJT dispels randomly...

One would think they would be smart toons too

They seem to have gotten smarter at times. JTR does always call BB-8 to assist, which is smart. Bastila’s assist is also predictable (I’m pretty sure it’s lowest health). In ships the targeting has gotten much smarter as well. Overall targeting is still terrible, but hopefull this trend continues.
Maztoras
7 years ago
The AI does what a human would do is a win in my book. Instead of complaining about revan, go complain about the 95% other chars that purposely play stupid, to play a bit smarter too.
ctyc123
7 years ago
I feel that hard coding for revan to always mark traya should be transparent.

Traya's isolate the largest total hp+prot, that's a variable.

But in terms of hardcoding, someone please get a developer to confirm. If that is so. Will this be for all new p2p toons going forward?

@CG_SBCrumb
Hoffman72510
7 years ago
"Aka_mannah;d-185609" wrote:
So, as someone who didn't whale on Revan I'm trying to work out why he ALWAYS targets traya. I've asked around and the best answer I've found is this:

"If he doesn't target Traya, she isolates him and its game over."

So, every other toon in the game is subject to RNG, but Revan isn't?

He will always target traya because if he doesn't, he won't hold on defence and there fore would be useless in arena.

Say it ain't so... If it's really only for that reason I'd say that's pretty messed up. I'm glad he was introduced but the whole premise of arena battles was based on RNG, now we have one toon targeting another because her special ability is better than his, if she's gets to land it on him.

Someone's gotta be joking right?

I had the same reaction when I found this out too. Some people here say its "AI and meant to mimic player behavior" and they're correct in the fact that everyone WOULD target Traya first, but unless they code EVERY character to do the wise and most likely human choice (I'm looking at you Thrawn) then I feel like this falls under the category of unfair.

With that being said I'm quite enjoying the current meta, there are actually multiple options and all of them are relatively equal on defense.
aka_mannah
7 years ago
"ctyc123;c-1678216" wrote:
I feel that hard coding for revan to always mark traya should be transparent.

Traya's isolate the largest total hp+prot, that's a variable.

But in terms of hardcoding, someone please get a developer to confirm. If that is so. Will this be for all new p2p toons going forward?

@CG_SBCrumb

I don't think they are answer a question like that, it really opens a can of worms...

Or spaghetti in this case... That's how the code for this game is written from what I've be told from multiple sources.

Catering to the cash economy.

Go back two years we needed any 5 rebels to get EP. If EP was just being released now, we'd need 3 marquee toons and two that are useless on hard node farms that are not in shops or don't have regular events to farm them.

I really enjoy this game but the core business model sure has changed for the worse.
homerjsolo
7 years ago
"Aka_mannah;c-1678234" wrote:
"ctyc123;c-1678216" wrote:
I feel that hard coding for revan to always mark traya should be transparent.

Traya's isolate the largest total hp+prot, that's a variable.

But in terms of hardcoding, someone please get a developer to confirm. If that is so. Will this be for all new p2p toons going forward?

@CG_SBCrumb

I don't think they are answer a question like that, it really opens a can of worms...

Or spaghetti in this case... That's how the code for this game is written from what I've be told from multiple sources.

Catering to the cash economy.

Go back two years we needed any 5 rebels to get EP. If EP was just being released now, we'd need 3 marquee toons and two that are useless on hard node farms that are not in shops or don't have regular events to farm them.

I really enjoy this game but the core business model sure has changed for the worse.

If you go back one month you needed any 5 Bounty Hunters to unlock Chewbacca, of which many people already had 5 at 7*. Or if you go back 10 months you needed a Legendary character and two useless Marquee characters on high cost cantina nodes to unlock RJT.

You can make any point you want if you cherry pick your data.
Chicagotarsier
7 years ago
"Freydwen;c-1677310" wrote:
In fleets my Tie Advanced will get focus-fired 100% of the time if there are no taunts up. I'm not sure how this is any different.

Best point in the thread.

Truth is RNG is dumbing down the AI.

I Do not think it was needed. Revan falls like a rock after payout
aka_mannah
6 years ago
So, now they change the AI to not always mark Traya...

The joke is now official...

Forum Discussion

This can't be the reason

50 Replies

About SWGOH Strategy & Tips

Recent Discussions

Mods for Batcher

Nerf Nightmothers Team

I do not know what to do.

GI lead vs Third sister lead in ROTE Reva special mission

Territory War advice needed.