Hey everyone. So I have a quick question on Thrawn's zeta here. So, if you zeta Ebb and Flow, it adds that when Empire allies use a special ability thrawn and fractured enemies lose 15% turn meter. But why is this necessary? Fracture means they can't gain bonus TM, and their speed is 0. How would they gain TM for his zeta to then take away? Is this added to help with raid bosses, by taking away TM when they are fractured?

From the level-by-level mechanics of Ebb and Flow:Level 7 Thrawn has +50% Counter Chance, +50% Tenacity, and -50% Speed while any enemies are Fractured. Whenever another Empire ally uses a Special ability while Thrawn is active, that ally gains 15% Turn Meter and, if any enemies are Fractured, Thrawn loses 15% Turn Meter.Level 8Thrawn has +100% Counter Chance, +100% Tenacity, and -50% Speed while any enemies are Fractured. Whenever another Empire ally uses a Special ability while Thrawn is active, that ally gains 15% Turn Meter and, if any enemies are Fractured, Thrawn and Fractured enemies lose 15% Turn Meter.What you're gaining with the Zeta is:+ 50% more counter chance (spreads Ability Block AND Stun, works great if Vader is on your team)+ 50% more tenacity+ The fractured enemy also loses turn meter when an Empire ally uses a special ability.Thrawn already loses TM for each special before the Zeta, which is what keeps them fractured longer.The Zeta just means that the fractured enemy will have longer to wait to fill their TM and take a turn, once fracture wears off by either Thrawn dying or Thrawn taking a turn.

Right, keep the raid boss under lockdown. And to stretch Fracture time even longer remove Thrawns TM. He's all about strategy and tactic.

"Kisakee;c-2006990" wrote:Right, keep the raid boss under lockdown. And to stretch Fracture time even longer remove Thrawns TM. He's all about strategy and tactic.So, can the raid bosses resist this TM removal? Also, should I invest a zeta on that then?

You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.

The fractured enemy might still have some TM left after the 50% TM removal from the fracture attack. This TM can be removed.Removing TM from Thrawn himself helps keeping the fractured enemy fractured for longer time. A very strong crowd control.

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Da_Bauers
New Spectator
6 years ago
From the level-by-level mechanics of Ebb and Flow:

Level 7
Thrawn has +50% Counter Chance, +50% Tenacity, and -50% Speed while any enemies are Fractured. Whenever another Empire ally uses a Special ability while Thrawn is active, that ally gains 15% Turn Meter and, if any enemies are Fractured, Thrawn loses 15% Turn Meter.

Level 8
Thrawn has +100% Counter Chance, +100% Tenacity, and -50% Speed while any enemies are Fractured. Whenever another Empire ally uses a Special ability while Thrawn is active, that ally gains 15% Turn Meter and, if any enemies are Fractured, Thrawn and Fractured enemies lose 15% Turn Meter.

What you're gaining with the Zeta is:
+ 50% more counter chance (spreads Ability Block AND Stun, works great if Vader is on your team)
+ 50% more tenacity
+ The fractured enemy also loses turn meter when an Empire ally uses a special ability.

Thrawn already loses TM for each special before the Zeta, which is what keeps them fractured longer.

The Zeta just means that the fractured enemy will have longer to wait to fill their TM and take a turn, once fracture wears off by either Thrawn dying or Thrawn taking a turn.
Kisakee
6 years ago
Right, keep the raid boss under lockdown. And to stretch Fracture time even longer remove Thrawns TM. He's all about strategy and tactic.
jawa2278
6 years ago
"Kisakee;c-2006990" wrote:
Right, keep the raid boss under lockdown. And to stretch Fracture time even longer remove Thrawns TM. He's all about strategy and tactic.

So, can the raid bosses resist this TM removal? Also, should I invest a zeta on that then?
Kisakee
6 years ago
You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.
Waquira
6 years ago
The fractured enemy might still have some TM left after the 50% TM removal from the fracture attack. This TM can be removed.
Removing TM from Thrawn himself helps keeping the fractured enemy fractured for longer time. A very strong crowd control.
jawa2278
6 years ago
"Kisakee;c-2006997" wrote:
You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.

To confirm though, if I zeta the ability, and I fracture a raid boss, they will lose TM from that ability, which can’t be resisted.
chionophobe
6 years ago
"jawa7778;c-2007336" wrote:
"Kisakee;c-2006997" wrote:
You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.

To confirm though, if I zeta the ability, and I fracture a raid boss, they will lose TM from that ability, which can’t be resisted.

It can be resisted. And only works on raid bosses not immune to TMR to begin with. So, practically, we're talking Pit raid and P1/3 of Tank.
OpticGK_Alex
6 years ago
"chionophile;c-2007341" wrote:
"jawa7778;c-2007336" wrote:
"Kisakee;c-2006997" wrote:
You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.

To confirm though, if I zeta the ability, and I fracture a raid boss, they will lose TM from that ability, which can’t be resisted.

It can be resisted. And only works on raid bosses not immune to TMR to begin with. So, practically, we're talking Pit raid and P1/3 of Tank.

Nihilus and traya can lose tm.
kookermader
6 years ago
Imo, Ebb and Flow is a good zeta, but it is also one that you can pass up. I never put a zeta on it and I did just fine. If you have a bunch of extra zetas lying around, then go for it, but it's likely that you'll get more bang for your buck with a different choice.
chionophobe
6 years ago
"OpticGK_Alex;c-2007439" wrote:
"chionophile;c-2007341" wrote:
"jawa7778;c-2007336" wrote:
"Kisakee;c-2006997" wrote:
You should notice that raid bosses don't get TM removal but -50% speed instead which can't be resisted. In that case they get slowed down while Thrawn can lose TM to extend the duration of Fracture. And you should absolutely give a Zeta to that. Thrawn was one of the toons in my first Rancor raid solo and he's still in my offense arena lineup by today.

To confirm though, if I zeta the ability, and I fracture a raid boss, they will lose TM from that ability, which can’t be resisted.

It can be resisted. And only works on raid bosses not immune to TMR to begin with. So, practically, we're talking Pit raid and P1/3 of Tank.

Nihilus and traya can lose tm.

They can, yes, but every time you hit them, they gain massive amounts of tenacity. And Thrawn hits them four times to fracture them. So, in practice, you can't really remove their TM with this ability.