Thrawn lead needs one AI change now.

"Olddumper;c-1135830" wrote:
A lot of people are confusing moves that aren't optimal like Vader culling blade, r-2 (I think it's set up right), Ahsoka, Zarris, and savage with AI that isn't rational.

Leia trying to steath with buff immunity and 50 percent of thrawns kit arent just less than optimal. They are irrational.

This. Vader or Ahsoka using a special at the wrong time still does damage. It needs more extensive AI work to straighten that out.

This Thrawn issue is causing toons to do something with absolutely no benefit whatsoever. They burn a turn for nothing. And it could likely be fixed easily. They already have characters that only cleanse when there are debuffs. The code is there. That already works perfectly on other toons. It just needs to be applied to them. And this is a reasonable fix to expect right now for all the hoops we jumped through getting Thrawn.

@CG_Kozispoon Love the character. He's tons of fun. I very much appreciate the work that went in to him, and I totally understand why he was released as he was even though it was a serious time crunch. But I don't think it's too much to ask that under Thrawn lead that Empire toons don't burn their cleanse when there is nothing to cleanse. Do the devs know this is an issue?

"JacenRoe;c-1135840" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1135830" wrote:
A lot of people are confusing moves that aren't optimal like Vader culling blade, r-2 (I think it's set up right), Ahsoka, Zarris, and savage with AI that isn't rational.

Leia trying to steath with buff immunity and 50 percent of thrawns kit arent just less than optimal. They are irrational.

This. Vader or Ahsoka using a special at the wrong time still does damage. It needs more extensive AI work to straighten that out.

You cannot know that. None of us can without knowing precisely how the AI is coded and handled. We can only speculate. If I'm to guess, the reason why Thrawn is the way he is, is due to the AI system itself handling him within its coding perimeters which is why I say fix the system itself. The case of Thrawn might simply be a byproduct of the larger issue at hand.

Again, here's a chance CG to provide clear, concise communication instead of the forums fighting each other over unnecessary guessing games.

"JacenRoe;c-1135943" wrote:

"Jedi_Reach_;c-1135916" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1135840" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1135830" wrote:
A lot of people are confusing moves that aren't optimal like Vader culling blade, r-2 (I think it's set up right), Ahsoka, Zarris, and savage with AI that isn't rational.

Leia trying to steath with buff immunity and 50 percent of thrawns kit arent just less than optimal. They are irrational.

This. Vader or Ahsoka using a special at the wrong time still does damage. It needs more extensive AI work to straighten that out.

You cannot know that. None of us can without knowing precisely how the AI is coded and handled. We can only speculate. If I'm to guess, the reason why Thrawn is the way he is, is due to the AI system itself handling him within its coding perimeters which is why I say fix the system itself. The case of Thrawn might simply be a byproduct of the larger issue at hand.

Every cleanse in the game that I have ever used or watched AI use works perfectly. I don't have any experience with Lobot, but I have never witnessed AI use a cleanse when there was nothing to cleanse. They already have Rex, Chirrut, and Ackbar coded to use their cleanses ONLY when there is a debuff to cleanse.

That is completely different than not having the AI designed to be able to survey a battle, use several steps of logic, and choose between several possible courses of action. It's one th No that already exists, and works perfectly. Is there a debuff? Then cleanse. No debuffs? Then don't cleanse.

And this is still all assumption of how the AI is actually coded.

Is it done by playback and record individually for each character? Is it coded within certain perimeters of abilities, classes, ability types etc.? You see what I'm getting at? Thrawn may be acting off general, impersonal code that happens to sway him more evidently than others. These findings should address the real issue at hand that is affecting not just Thrawn, but many other characters doing very questionable things.

"Jedi_Reach_;c-1135946" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1135943" wrote:

"Jedi_Reach_;c-1135916" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1135840" wrote:

"Olddumper;c-1135830" wrote:
A lot of people are confusing moves that aren't optimal like Vader culling blade, r-2 (I think it's set up right), Ahsoka, Zarris, and savage with AI that isn't rational.

Leia trying to steath with buff immunity and 50 percent of thrawns kit arent just less than optimal. They are irrational.

This. Vader or Ahsoka using a special at the wrong time still does damage. It needs more extensive AI work to straighten that out.

You cannot know that. None of us can without knowing precisely how the AI is coded and handled. We can only speculate. If I'm to guess, the reason why Thrawn is the way he is, is due to the AI system itself handling him within its coding perimeters which is why I say fix the system itself. The case of Thrawn might simply be a byproduct of the larger issue at hand.

Every cleanse in the game that I have ever used or watched AI use works perfectly. I don't have any experience with Lobot, but I have never witnessed AI use a cleanse when there was nothing to cleanse. They already have Rex, Chirrut, and Ackbar coded to use their cleanses ONLY when there is a debuff to cleanse.

That is completely different than not having the AI designed to be able to survey a battle, use several steps of logic, and choose between several possible courses of action. It's one th No that already exists, and works perfectly. Is there a debuff? Then cleanse. No debuffs? Then don't cleanse.

And this is still all assumption of how the AI is actually coded.

Is it done by playback and record individually for each character? Is it coded within certain perimeters of abilities, classes, ability types etc.? You see what I'm getting at? Thrawn may be acting off general, impersonal code that happens to sway him more evidently than others. These findings should address the real issue at hand that is affecting not just Thrawn, but many other characters doing very questionable things.

The devs have actually talked about AI in the past, and even changed it for some characters. Go back and look at how Yoda's AI was changed, and the discussions that accompanied that.

You are way over complicating this. It is a fact that the AI coding to just use a cleanse when there is something to cleanse already exists, and works perfectly on multiple characters.

AI is a significant misnomer for what's going on in this game.

It is kind of silly that a npc opponent would prioritize this skill with no buffs present. Although, I haven't experienced it yet and have faced multiple Thrawn led teams in GW.

"JacenRoe;d-116962" wrote:
If there is a specific post about this already I apologize. I searched, and didn't see one. This has been mentioned before, but it needs its own post.

Guild mates of mine have confirmed what we saw in the video over the weekend. Under a Thrawn lead, Empire characters waste their cleanse ability when they have no debuffs if AI is controlling them. Other cleansers like Ackbar, Rex, and Chirrut only use theirs when there are debuffs to clear. This should be an easy fix, and it should be fixed fast.

As irritable as the community is over having to race to farm Phoenix if they wanted Thrawn, then the payoff to those that bit the bullet (especially free players that made big sacrifices to pull it off) should be a toon that works correctly. There is no good reason for the AI to behave this way. It's broken.

Is there any way a dev could comment on this?

EA/CG how bout in the Squad Set up section just adding a part where we(the gamers) can ajust the toons AI for auto our selves. If peeps don't ajust it then that's their fault if team gets smashed cause of bad preset AI. Alot of set up can be realy good but are not used cause of bad AI. Please consider this.