Turn Meter Overflow and Bonus Turns

"scuba;c-2193556" wrote:

"Vendi1983;c-2193542" wrote:
My guess is that the damage from FC is what caused GK to drop below 50%. If so, that means the debuffs haven't been applied yet, so JKA's bonus turn is triggered right there, meaning he has his BT before Vader's from MM + overflow from debuffs. It's an order of operations thing, like zOld Ben taunting through Fracture.

I am thinking this is it also, because they are making bonus turns go first, JKA gets his bonus turn triggered before Vader, wouldn't be the first time something did work as planned.

Also Merailla how do you know jka is at 30% tm when it happens? Guess or did you math it?

I take it back. It looks like while vader has the merciless buff he is prevented from tm gains (speed_recovery)


So no matter how many debuffs he lands he will have 0 overflow
It even says so in his ability

Merciless: +50% Offense, +25% Critical Chance, and +50% Critical Damage; immune to Fear, Stun, and Turn Meter manipulation and Darth Vader's bonus turns do not trigger other characters' effects based on bonus turns or Turn Meter gain

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

But yes, an official explanation would be welcomed.

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

"Kyno;c-2172178" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

How do you know it added 100% turn meter for a bonus turn vs bringing the toon to 100%? There was no way to prove either was happening in the old system, so the communication would have to come from the developers. All we knew before the new system was that after gaining a bonus turn, a toon was at 100% turn meter.

Believe me, I searched the forums before starting my match. All I could find was a response from Crumb to a thread about Malak and JKA. His response said that characters like Malak and JKA are allowed to gain a bonus turn during the massacre, but it didn’t say anything about turn meter overflow due to the bonus turn. Maybe I missed another post covering, but it would be really nice to know since it affects future interactions with Vader and toons like JKA. JKA will almost always have overflow in this situation.

"Kyno;c-2172178" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

Gaining 100% bonus turnmeter can still give you an overflow just like gaining a bonus turn can, right? There isn't any difference between gaining 100% bonus TM and gaining a bonus turn in that regard, right?

"Scuttlebutt;c-2172180" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2172178" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

How do you know it added 100% turn meter for a bonus turn vs bringing the toon to 100%? There was no way to prove either was happening in the old system, so the communication would have to come from the developers. All we knew before the new system was that after gaining a bonus turn, a toon was at 100% turn meter.

Believe me, I searched the forums before starting my match. All I could find was a response from Crumb to a thread about Malak and JKA. His response said that characters like Malak and JKA are allowed to gain a bonus turn during the massacre, but it didn’t say anything about turn meter overflow due to the bonus turn. Maybe I missed another post covering, but it would be really nice to know since it affects future interactions with Vader and toons like JKA. JKA will almost always have overflow in this situation.

I'm sure what you saw and described in your OP is WAI. It fits with how a bonus turn has always been defined (according to Kyno).

"Waqui;c-2172192" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2172178" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

Gaining 100% bonus turnmeter can still give you an overflow just like gaining a bonus turn can, right? There isn't any difference between gaining 100% bonus TM and gaining a bonus turn in that regard, right?

No a skill that states 100% TM (not a bonus turn) puts a toon at 100% TM no overflow. From my understanding.

"Kyno;c-2172200" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172192" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2172178" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172037" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-2171976" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2171971" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2171970" wrote:
The TM overflow rules still apply when characters gain bonus turns. Vader ended up at 100% TM when he gained his bonus turn since he had just performed an action. JKA and Ahsoka most likely ended up with some overflow (unless they were at 0% initially in your scenario). Speed is only considered if they are tied on TM overflow.

This.

Vader gets his bonus turn and has 0 overflow.

The other 2 get a bonus turn and turn whatever TM they had into overflow.

So now a bonus turn grants +100% turn meter instead of bringing a unit’s turn meter to 100%? Is that written down anywhere?

According to Kyno (a couple of years ago) a turn was defined as 100% TM. Hence gaining a bonus turn would be gaining 100% bonus TM (which couldn't be prevented - but Kyno never confirmed that part AFAIK). The outcome was the same as bringing the TM to 100% (because of the cap) but it was really an addition of 100% TM. That's how I read Kyno's definition back then.

Since there was no system in place before the change to capture any overflow, that was "the way it worked."

Now we have a system to capture the overflow, so when it states a toon gets 100% TM they go to 100%. A bonus turn adds 100% TM (just like it did in the past, but either stopped at 100% or it just didnt matter that you were at any number higher than 100%), which now leaves you with 100% and TM overflow, of the TM you had when you gained the bonus turn.

Gaining 100% bonus turnmeter can still give you an overflow just like gaining a bonus turn can, right? There isn't any difference between gaining 100% bonus TM and gaining a bonus turn in that regard, right?

No a skill that states 100% TM (not a bonus turn) puts a toon at 100% TM no overflow. From my understanding.

I highly doubt this. Isn't the whole point in the update that characters can now have their TM overflow? How would any character that didn't gain a bonus turn end up with overflow if your understanding is correct?

How do you explain that a character starting out at 90% TM ends up at 100% TM + 5% overflow after gaining 15% bonus TM? (the example in Scuttlebutt's link)

Again: I highly doubt that you are right.

"Vendi1983;c-2172202" wrote:
Anakin's Righteous Fury:



So he's recovering 100% on top of whatever he was at when the Unique activated under the new system.

Thank you. I think that clears it up. Next time, I’ll ability block JKA and padme first in order to keep from losing most of my team.