What does k2so zeta do?
What the title says.
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"RJ__Brando;1008911" wrote:
I have zata'd him. It is quite noticeable too, as by match end he's an absolute TREE standing back there with full protection and hp.
Ok so on to the question.....his zeta increases his TOTAL protection by 1% compounding. This does not replenish his protection, as Jyn lead does that for you. I will use my K2 protection pool and show the math up to 5 attacks:
Initial protection: 45, 549 (use tenacity cross and accuracy arrow, this his protection is low)
1st time taking damage: 45, 549+(1% of 45, 549) = 46, 004
2nd time taking damage: 46, 004+(1% of 46, 004) = 46, 464
3rd time: 46, 464+(1% of 46, 464) = 46, 928
4th time: 46, 928+(1% of 46, 928) = 47, 397
5th time: 47, 397+(1% of 47397) = 47, 870
So after the first round of enemy attacks, he's increased his total protection by 2, 321.
Since he constantly taunts and jyn replenishes his protection, I've been impressed by his durability.
No, he increased his max protection. Given that zJyn regens 5% protection (or ~2500), everybody is hitting him harder than that (hell, even tanks can hit for 2500 dmg) he won't have gained 2,321 prot. He'll have gained 2,321 MAX prot. What he'll actually have gained from his zeta is:
0.05 * 455 + 0.05 * (455 + 460) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469 + 474) = 346 protection (plus some for the fact that as his max protection grows and his prot% stays the same, he gains some protection in any case, but this depends on how much % he has left: 2,321 in the very best case scenario, and if hit by a couple of heavy hitters, it's quickly down to 0 benefits (because all his prot was knocked off).
This is REALLY miserable for the investment of a zeta (note that Jyn's zeta is very much worth it, and is probably what is causing you to "feel" the longevity). You can get more protection from a single secondary stat on a single mod than from this zeta. It *might* be worth it in a raid or other prolonged fight, but I really doubt it. Especially since the Maul fix for raids and the enrage timer."Acrofales;1008942" wrote:
"RJ__Brando;1008911" wrote:
I have zata'd him. It is quite noticeable too, as by match end he's an absolute TREE standing back there with full protection and hp.
Ok so on to the question.....his zeta increases his TOTAL protection by 1% compounding. This does not replenish his protection, as Jyn lead does that for you. I will use my K2 protection pool and show the math up to 5 attacks:
Initial protection: 45, 549 (use tenacity cross and accuracy arrow, this his protection is low)
1st time taking damage: 45, 549+(1% of 45, 549) = 46, 004
2nd time taking damage: 46, 004+(1% of 46, 004) = 46, 464
3rd time: 46, 464+(1% of 46, 464) = 46, 928
4th time: 46, 928+(1% of 46, 928) = 47, 397
5th time: 47, 397+(1% of 47397) = 47, 870
So after the first round of enemy attacks, he's increased his total protection by 2, 321.
Since he constantly taunts and jyn replenishes his protection, I've been impressed by his durability.
No, he increased his max protection. Given that zJyn regens 5% protection (or ~2500), everybody is hitting him harder than that (hell, even tanks can hit for 2500 dmg) he won't have gained 2,321 prot. He'll have gained 2,321 MAX prot. What he'll actually have gained from his zeta is:
0.05 * 455 + 0.05 * (455 + 460) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469 + 474) = 346 protection (plus some for the fact that as his max protection grows and his prot% stays the same, he gains some protection in any case, but this depends on how much % he has left: 2,321 in the very best case scenario, and if hit by a couple of heavy hitters, it's quickly down to 0 benefits (because all his prot was knocked off).
This is REALLY miserable for the investment of a zeta (note that Jyn's zeta is very much worth it, and is probably what is causing you to "feel" the longevity). You can get more protection from a single secondary stat on a single mod than from this zeta. It *might* be worth it in a raid or other prolonged fight, but I really doubt it. Especially since the Maul fix for raids and the enrage timer.
Yes....i mentioned that it dos not replenish"Acrofales;1008942" wrote:
"RJ__Brando;1008911" wrote:
I have zata'd him. It is quite noticeable too, as by match end he's an absolute TREE standing back there with full protection and hp.
Ok so on to the question.....his zeta increases his TOTAL protection by 1% compounding. This does not replenish his protection, as Jyn lead does that for you. I will use my K2 protection pool and show the math up to 5 attacks:
Initial protection: 45, 549 (use tenacity cross and accuracy arrow, this his protection is low)
1st time taking damage: 45, 549+(1% of 45, 549) = 46, 004
2nd time taking damage: 46, 004+(1% of 46, 004) = 46, 464
3rd time: 46, 464+(1% of 46, 464) = 46, 928
4th time: 46, 928+(1% of 46, 928) = 47, 397
5th time: 47, 397+(1% of 47397) = 47, 870
So after the first round of enemy attacks, he's increased his total protection by 2, 321.
Since he constantly taunts and jyn replenishes his protection, I've been impressed by his durability.
No, he increased his max protection. Given that zJyn regens 5% protection (or ~2500), everybody is hitting him harder than that (hell, even tanks can hit for 2500 dmg) he won't have gained 2,321 prot. He'll have gained 2,321 MAX prot. What he'll actually have gained from his zeta is:
0.05 * 455 + 0.05 * (455 + 460) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469 + 474) = 346 protection (plus some for the fact that as his max protection grows and his prot% stays the same, he gains some protection in any case, but this depends on how much % he has left: 2,321 in the very best case scenario, and if hit by a couple of heavy hitters, it's quickly down to 0 benefits (because all his prot was knocked off).
This is REALLY miserable for the investment of a zeta (note that Jyn's zeta is very much worth it, and is probably what is causing you to "feel" the longevity). You can get more protection from a single secondary stat on a single mod than from this zeta. It *might* be worth it in a raid or other prolonged fight, but I really doubt it. Especially since the Maul fix for raids and the enrage timer.
Again, the sqaud is interconnected, you are ignoring that under zJyn (who should be the first you Zeta) every buff - be they Chirrut hots from him being crit, hots from Chirrut's special coming from debuffs, Cirruts TenUp, or K2s owntaunt that he is constantly refreshing - is constantly giving you 5% prot that is dependent on that Max Prot value that K2 is constantly increasing.
This squad is not just pairings. Chaze is great, and Cassian is better with K2 and vice versa, but the whole team is designed to play off each other on the whole, not just in duos.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying the Zeta is amazing. Looking at it strictly in a vacuum it probably would need a buff given the investment... But you can't look at it in a vacuum. It functions well paired with zJyn and that is by design.- K2 is definitely an overlooked gem, and so easy to get. People have been ignoring him for far too long, but it's because the rest of his R1 team has been too hard to get and he really needs the whole squad to be most effective. R1 is my next project once FO is completed. K2 and Cass have been waiting patiently for me to farm their friends.
- If he's paired with cass, under a Zyn lead, when he starts the match with all this buffs cass gives him, do they increase his prot too?
"Acrofales;1008942" wrote:
"RJ__Brando;1008911" wrote:
I have zata'd him. It is quite noticeable too, as by match end he's an absolute TREE standing back there with full protection and hp.
Ok so on to the question.....his zeta increases his TOTAL protection by 1% compounding. This does not replenish his protection, as Jyn lead does that for you. I will use my K2 protection pool and show the math up to 5 attacks:
Initial protection: 45, 549 (use tenacity cross and accuracy arrow, this his protection is low)
1st time taking damage: 45, 549+(1% of 45, 549) = 46, 004
2nd time taking damage: 46, 004+(1% of 46, 004) = 46, 464
3rd time: 46, 464+(1% of 46, 464) = 46, 928
4th time: 46, 928+(1% of 46, 928) = 47, 397
5th time: 47, 397+(1% of 47397) = 47, 870
So after the first round of enemy attacks, he's increased his total protection by 2, 321.
Since he constantly taunts and jyn replenishes his protection, I've been impressed by his durability.
No, he increased his max protection. Given that zJyn regens 5% protection (or ~2500), everybody is hitting him harder than that (hell, even tanks can hit for 2500 dmg) he won't have gained 2,321 prot. He'll have gained 2,321 MAX prot. What he'll actually have gained from his zeta is:
0.05 * 455 + 0.05 * (455 + 460) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469) + 0.05 * (455 + 460 + 465 + 469 + 474) = 346 protection (plus some for the fact that as his max protection grows and his prot% stays the same, he gains some protection in any case, but this depends on how much % he has left: 2,321 in the very best case scenario, and if hit by a couple of heavy hitters, it's quickly down to 0 benefits (because all his prot was knocked off).
This is REALLY miserable for the investment of a zeta (note that Jyn's zeta is very much worth it, and is probably what is causing you to "feel" the longevity). You can get more protection from a single secondary stat on a single mod than from this zeta. It *might* be worth it in a raid or other prolonged fight, but I really doubt it. Especially since the Maul fix for raids and the enrage timer.
For the protection regen you do realize 75% of the time he can actually recover 15% protection if it is a critical hit
on a critical hit:
1. gains Hot from chirrut ->5% protection recovery
2. counter attacks
3. 75% to gain taunt ->5% protection recovery
4. if he was buffed when attacks gains taunt ->5% protection recovery
He can gain taunt buff twice in one turn. Each time is 5% protection recovery.
So My K2SO has a good chance of recovering 7.3k protection when he is hit. He normally keeps his protection pretty full
I personlly have not seen a need for K2SO zeta since he is either annhilated by Darth Nihilus or he is last man standing with full protection and is going to die anyway as he is loosing the buffs from Chirruit and has low damage output.
Had Nihilus and his Annhilate not been introduced I probably would have zeta'ed K2 unique.
Don't know of what team you would use a jyn lead for in HAAT she is mostly used in a TMR team where teebo lead works better. So don't see it being helpful there.- I like the idea, but 1% is way too low. I think it should be bumped up to 2% protection and 2% health.
"BradGoodyear;1009223" wrote:
"Bulldog1205;1009123" wrote:
I like the idea, but 1% is way too low. I think it should be bumped up to 2% protection and 2% health.
Did you not read this thread?
If you set it up correctly he basically never dies. Why double it? He's already insanely good. This is the kind of comment that i can't wrap my head around. Stop with the random it should be X when you don't even understand what it actually is before your open your mouth.
Uhh, I understand exactly what it is. The "he never dies" has nothing to do with his zeta. His zeta is awful. It's about as useful as a tier 7 skill, not a tier 8 zeta. Did you see the math above? It adds a very small about of max protection, and that max protection is irrelevant without a Jyn lead. That's why I suggested it increase health as well, because that will almost always be useful. If he is so "insanely good" why is he the 49th most common player in the top 100 of arena??- Yes, I have fought a max R1 team. There used to be a few in the top of my arena. They were good. Now with the sith meta they have all disappeared. Cassian and K2 have been replaced with Kenobi and Rex. A R1 team is outdated now. And in raids the damage of Wiggs is more important than K2s taunt.
And again, all of the points you make about K2 are true without a zeta. I am in disbelief that you think his zeta is on par with any of the other zeta abilities. It's barely relevant. "Bulldog1205;1009299" wrote:
Yes, I have fought a max R1 team. There used to be a few in the top of my arena. They were good. Now with the sith meta they have all disappeared. Cassian and K2 have been replaced with Kenobi and Rex. A R1 team is outdated now. And in raids the damage of Wiggs is more important than K2s taunt.
And again, all of the points you make about K2 are true without a zeta. I am in disbelief that you think his zeta is on par with any of the other zeta abilities. It's barely relevant.
With Annhilate most everywhere.... I agree
