Finally back home in front of my PC.
"Woodroward;c-1881559" wrote:
My God you're very persistent in not taking a hint. Well this will be my last response to you. Thanks for giving me a headache.
I will never stop correcting the record on mischaracterizations of my statements. And thank you for not responding to me anymore, I only wish you had stopped sooner. When I first said that you were giving bad advice what I wanted was for you to stop posting here. All the noise has made it difficult for me to get any real advice. Unfortunately, simply not responding to me is not enough since you keep on posting here like it's some general advice thread on Padme or something. Why don't you make your own general advice thread? Or I might need to make another thread specifically for my case. I doubt you'd have posted as you have if this was but one of 10-20 similar threads in a Padme forum. But that's exactly what this thread was supposed to be.
I can't say you're completely at fault in seeing this as a general advice thread because a few other people also saw it that way, although the overwhelming majority of responses understood that this was a thread about my case and were direct responses to me. Part of it may also have been the hastily written and imprecise initial title (since fixed).
But I think I finally figured out why a few people have been coming here and treating it like a general Padme advice thread. When I started this thread I wrote it as if it were one of many similar threads on the Padme forum that
should exist. I put it here because there was no better place to put it. I now suspect that the very lack of a Padme forum may be why a few people have come to this thread for advice - it's become a de facto Padme forum for them and you also saw it that way.
Well, my case is highly idiosyncratic and I need specific and nuanced advice for my case. So I want a thread specifically for my case whether you recognize it as such or not. If this becomes a general Padme thread I would need another thread specifically for my case.
"Woodroward;c-1882164" wrote:
Um. He fixated on me. I told him I wasn't addressing him and he shouldn't respond to me numerous times yet he persisted relentlessly as though I was the one not getting it.
That is so wrong. I can't tell if he's lying, delusional, or just bad at reading comprehension there. Every single one of the main points I responded to were in posts he made in direct response to me - in which he quoted me and no one else. I used some supporting evidence/points from a couple of the posts he made in response to others because things a person says sincerely reflect their beliefs/values no matter who they're responding to. It's similar to what they teach you to do in an English class for an essay - make a contention about someone and support it with references to things that person has written, sometimes from a variety of different works or contexts. None of them are addressed to the essay writer.
He then seized on those very valid supporting citations and used the fact that I referenced them to falsely claim that my main points were somehow not about things he said to me directly (the main ones were 1. GG is "basically required" for this event - direct quote from him, 2. farm everything in the fleet store to max before you get any zetas, 3. he has the same goals/values that I have, and 4. you get enough zetas from other sources that you don't need zetas from fleet store (this is highly dependent on 3 b/c enough zetas is highly subjective).
He also repeatedly misrepresented many of the things I said - whether intentionally or because he misunderstood I don't know. He then accused me of doing the same thing to him. I may have misread or overspeculated based on one or two of the things he said and admitted fault there (something he has never done), but I didn't do that with most of the rest the things he said or what I wrote. Straw man - I may have made a couple of small errors and he uses that to dismiss everything else I said. It may not have been deliberate - maybe those small things enraged him too much for him to see the bigger picture clearly.
"Pulsehammer;c-1882022" wrote:
First and foremost...my God — what on earth inspired you two to mutually fixate on each other? Reading that exchange was disturbing (albeit a bit fascinating at first).
Here's the whole story. From my perspective, he was the one who made this into a spat or fixation albeit I did say something he took the wrong way which may have caused him to do that. This started because he gave me two pieces of bad advice (1. GG is "basically required" for this event - direct quote from him, 2. farm everything in the fleet store to max before you get any zetas).
I explained why I did not feel his advice applied to me. But he persisted and doubled or tripled down on them over the course of several posts. So I had to more forcefully dismiss his advice and hopefully send a message that his advice was no longer desired. Maybe I went a bit too far. But I prefaced what I said with a disclaimer that we just have different values and that what was to follow was not personal but simply a reflection of that.
So I linked his SWGOH profile and mine as an attempt to both illustrate that and try to introduce some sort of objective measure of how qualified he is to give advice (admittedly it's far from determinative and far from ideal, but nothing else is available). Instead of going away he didn't take it too well . He took it personally and overreacted (albeit understandably). He misinterpreted it as a "#1 contest" between us which was not my intent. I wasn't trying to imply that I was extraordinary or great. It was more something like: he had flunked a class everyone else here had passed so maybe he shouldn't be so confident in his advice. That may be a bit harsh but it reflects the lack of soundness of the two arguments he made and persisted in pushing over and over.
In the post I first made this point in, the direct quote I had above it was in fact one of his responses to another person (because I wanted to refer to something in it as a supporting point) even though the crux of what I was writing was in response to his main points made over the course of several posts. Maybe that's why he's been going on and on about me responding to things he was saying to other people. In retrospect, I should have put a different quote there, or an additional quote, or maybe no quote at all, though everything I wrote would have
been exactly the same.
"Woodroward;c-1874064" wrote:
The 3 characters that are basically required to win are GG, Asaji, and B2. the other 2 can be whoever, but Dooku, B1. Droideka, Magna, Sun Fac, and GeoSol should all be avoided.
Also, it is a bad idea to spend your fleet currency on anything but characters and ships before you have all the characters and ships (don't buy zetas if you don't have everything else in the store), so you really have no reason not to farm GG.
That was the post I should have quoted in my post dated June 4, 2019 at 10:02PM instead of or in addition to the second quote (to preface the section where I began by saying "So I'll begin by saying...") and likely the source of all his confusion. It wouldn't have changed what I wrote one bit. The above quote was indisputably addressed to me, not that it matters.
Also, I have to retract a concession I made previously. Previously I conceded that maybe he wasn't exactly the one who started calling GG necessary. I had missed this post when I reviewed the thread but it was obviously what I was responding to at the time. He clearly calls GG necessary here, along with Ventress and B2.
Basically required = Necessary. The "basically" hedge doesn't change the essence of what he or I were saying.
"NicWester;c-1881586" wrote:
Aaaaaanyway......... I suggest farming Greivous anyway. True, it's a drain on your shard shop tokens, but he's a really good character and you're going to need him anyway.
I started farming Grievous (from the fleet store only) right before I started this thread and never stopped. Like you said, I'll need him eventually as a member of the separatist team for GA/TW because Ventress is committed to the Nightsister team, obviously. But I can't and won't count on him as a member of my Padme team because it's highly unlikely I'll 7 star him in time for Padme's next return. And I cannot afford (in terms of time and resources) to farm and gear a 6 member team.
So why won't I spend shard store shards on Grievous? See below.
"Pulsehammer;c-1882022" wrote:
Not spending shard store currency to get Grievous — good luck with that. I hope you enjoy having him when you’re 90.
That's exactly why I don't think I'll get him in time for Padme's return. Woodroward was the one arguing that I farm Grievous with fleet store currency and that I didn't need to spend shard store currency on him (though he was vague on the time frame even though I specifically said many times this has to be for Padme's very next return). I have no expectation that I'll get Grievous in time for Padme's return, which is why I'm not inlcuding him in my planned team. As I said above, I am getting Grievous (ironically, with exactly the farming plan that
Woodroward recommended, which I was already doing before he recommended it). But I'm not stupid and I know that has nothing to do with this event.
So why won't I spend shard store currency on Grievous? The shard store represents approximately 15-30% of my gear income. I had 4 characters to gear from scratch (just got B2 to 7* and G11 so 3 more to go). If I spend shard store currency on Grievous, it is my estimation that I won't be able to gear my entire team in time for Padme's next return (I believe I'll fall far short), which defeats the entire point.
"Pulsehammer;c-1882022" wrote:
So, allow me to offer a dissenting opinion on 7* Padme without GG. I have STRONG G12+ bugs, Ventress at G12 with rampage, even got B2 to a high G11. I threw arena mods on them. I tweaked. I fought countless times throughout the event — probably to the tune of over twenty hours of gameplay.
People have done it with your team but they had g12 B2 which may make the difference. Anyway, I'll have the benefit of G12 B2 (so my B2 will have the benefit of arena mods where you did not last time) and Droideka as well as reworked Nute. Maybe I'll put Dooku in there but I'm not sure yet and not sure who he'd replace. Like I said, I couldn't include Grievous in the mix if I wanted to - if I got him I basically would be unable to gear the entire team adequately in time.
Getting Grievous means I'll probably be doing the event with an undergeared team - I believe I'll have a better chance with a fully geared team without Grievous than with a poorly geared (I estimate G7-G10 except Ventress at G12 and B2 which is already G11) team with Grievous. Also, only Ventress can have arena mods in that case. I believe the guides that include Grievous in the team require a G11-G12 team but I'm not 100% sure. If having Grievous means you can 7* the event with 3 characters (including Grievous himself) having almost no gear (to me, G7-G9 means almost no gear) more easily than a fully geared team without Grievous, then I would consider it.
