Yeah no, Mara Jade is gonna be another wet noodle slapper

Her kit looks more like it is about landing debuffs than inflicting damage to me. It's that support? There aren't any calls to tags in the teams she is expected in, so what does that matter?

"ScoundrelRui;c-2321298" wrote:
They probably tested her with zealous ambition data disks and found out that she hit too hard in conquest as a support so they made her an attacker

Her health is kinda meh at 38k at G13. And even with it, her attack modifiers are still really damn low. A modifier of 1 is laughably weak.

Matter of fact, here is swgoh.gg's list of AoE Abilities based on raw damage by modifier + offense stat. https://swgoh.gg/abilities/aoe/?page=4

Mara Jade is in the lower 25% of units in this game damage wise. Zealous Ambition wouldn't have done jack considering all 3 of her Abilities have the exact same modifier, so they hit for the exact same damage.

https://swgoh.gg/abilities/basic/?page=10

A Basic that hits this weak is pretty unprescedented for attackers, as usually when they hit this weak, they have multi-damage like Fennec or CAT do or have a pretty frequent OOT use for it like B-1 does. (Grievous on that list is also misleading since his attacks scale with max health instead of offense but swgoh only registers offense for modifiers).

Everything in her kit reads like a support, she's more focused on stat boosts, debuffs and keeping Palpatine's Turnmeter train going. Everything in her kit reads like a support. Zealous Ambition for Conquest would have made no gamebreaking impact.

"MemeMaster;c-2321344" wrote:

"Phoenixeon;c-2321326" wrote:

"MemeMaster;c-2321323" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2321321" wrote:
If she hits like a wet noodle, so what? I couldn't care less about what tags CG gives the characters - I'm gonna mod and use them the way I want.
Idc if Talon hits like a wet noodle and I'm gonna mod her for speed + survivability and plug her into a SEE (offense + survival boost), Traya (survival boost) or DR (speed boost) team.
Maras 2nd special is crazy good for Palp - who cares if her dmg might be lackluster?

The problem is that she was advertised as a high damage attacker. The problem isn't the characters themselves, but how CG promises them to us. Deception for the sake of benefit should not become a common practice.

Support act as attacker
Attacker doing support's job
Tank is not taunting and dealing dmg

First time playing this game?

The last tank released who does not taunt from any mechanics in their own kit was JTR, and that was 4 years ago.

The last Support released who remotely, if not completely, does an Attacker's job of dealing high damage was Bastila Shan Fallen, and that was just over 3 years ago.

Notice something? CG has been moving further and further away from the non-appropriate role assignments, so much so that if we ignore Mara, Talon and Omega, the last instance of one such case was over 3 years ago. And yes, you can make the argument that Galactic Legends also fit this criteria because of SEE, his ultimate transformation turns him into an attacker AS WAS PROMISED, which means he stays true to everything CG said he would be.

Character's role tags not being appropriate to their functional role has only returned recently, and has only affected attackers so far. And this has been one of the only complaints I myself have voiced in a good while, as I am actively deterred from participating by people using fallacy arguments like your Ad Ignorantiam.

I repeat my earlier final words: Deception for the sake of benefit should not become a common practice. Selling characters as something they are not to get them hyped up and more people into spending is scummy.

Newest support doing attacker's job:
Dash Rendar

"MemeMaster;d-252032" wrote:
Based off of the numbers on swgoh.gg her skills all have a damage modifier of 1 and her special damage, at G13, is just under 3500. That is W E A K damage.

Matter of fact, comparing AoE skills by modifier and offense stats, Magmatrooper has more damage than Mara Jade.

And we have seen first-hand how unimpressive Loyal Hand is as an offense booster with Talon. Even with almost 20 stacks she can barely land one 50k crit on her hardest hitting Ability, which has a modifier of over 3, meaning Mara Jade's damage is 3 times weaker.

Base damage stats don't account for all her damage though. Her basic does damage twice plus calls an assist. Her first special deals double damage to shocked enemies and Jedi. On her unique, she'll gain 20% offense if EP is in the lead, otherwise she'll gain up to 40% offense due to Useful Pawn. Then she can get up to 20 stacks of Loyal Hand (and Talon doesn't seem to be able to hit max stacks outside of GAC). So her base damage is probably lower because of the extra damage hits and offense boosts she gains.

So I have a TW question based on her Omnicron. After reading it, she seems like an anti-GAS.
Start of turn, she wipes out the enemy leader’s protection (In my example, GAS) so she would make GAS kneel immediately. She then reduces max HP by 50% permanently so when GAS eventually gets back up, his protection is halved.
Agreements? Counter-points?

So I guess my question is will GAS get a rework based on Mara’s TW ability or is this the intent?

"MilHanso;c-2321330" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2321321" wrote:
If she hits like a wet noodle, so what? I couldn't care less about what tags CG gives the characters - I'm gonna mod and use them the way I want.
Idc if Talon hits like a wet noodle and I'm gonna mod her for speed + survivability and plug her into a SEE (offense + survival boost), Traya (survival boost) or DR (speed boost) team.
Maras 2nd special is crazy good for Palp - who cares if her dmg might be lackluster?

I think the same as you. People complain a lot here... Stop playing the game if it's so **** awful as you say.

If you think the complaints are so awful, why come here to read them?

These are valid concerns from CUSTOMERS. I spend money on this game. If something isn't right, or they say something that doesn't happen or is totally wrong, I have the right to complain. (i.e., Galactic Legends being buffed to become more Legendy in August, which didn't happen.)

There's a common thread with this and it's as if they are testing these characters with their Relic 9 accounts and saying, "oh look at the damage she does. Awesome!" That's not 99.99% of the player-base's rosters are configured. These are at best, serious miscommunications and at worst, purposefully deceptive statements.

"Whatelse73;c-2321577" wrote:

"MilHanso;c-2321330" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2321321" wrote:
If she hits like a wet noodle, so what? I couldn't care less about what tags CG gives the characters - I'm gonna mod and use them the way I want.
Idc if Talon hits like a wet noodle and I'm gonna mod her for speed + survivability and plug her into a SEE (offense + survival boost), Traya (survival boost) or DR (speed boost) team.
Maras 2nd special is crazy good for Palp - who cares if her dmg might be lackluster?

I think the same as you. People complain a lot here... Stop playing the game if it's so **** awful as you say.

If you think the complaints are so awful, why come here to read them?

These are valid concerns from CUSTOMERS. I spend money on this game. If something isn't right, or they say something that doesn't happen or is totally wrong, I have the right to complain. (i.e., Galactic Legends being buffed to become more Legendy in August, which didn't happen.)

There's a common thread with this and it's as if they are testing these characters with their Relic 9 accounts and saying, "oh look at the damage she does. Awesome!" That's not 99.99% of the player-base's rosters are configured. These are at best, serious miscommunications and at worst, purposefully deceptive statements.

You may always stop spending and playing the game too, you know?!

"MilHanso;c-2321330" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2321321" wrote:
If she hits like a wet noodle, so what? I couldn't care less about what tags CG gives the characters - I'm gonna mod and use them the way I want.
Idc if Talon hits like a wet noodle and I'm gonna mod her for speed + survivability and plug her into a SEE (offense + survival boost), Traya (survival boost) or DR (speed boost) team.
Maras 2nd special is crazy good for Palp - who cares if her dmg might be lackluster?

I think the same as you. People complain a lot here... Stop playing the game if it's so **** awful as you say.

If people complaining on the internet makes you upset then maybe you should go offline

"Abyss_003;c-2321553" wrote:
So I have a TW question based on her Omnicron. After reading it, she seems like an anti-GAS.
Start of turn, she wipes out the enemy leader’s protection (In my example, GAS) so she would make GAS kneel immediately. She then reduces max HP by 50% permanently so when GAS eventually gets back up, his protection is halved.
Agreements? Counter-points?

So I guess my question is will GAS get a rework based on Mara’s TW ability or is this the intent?

I’m pretty sure that’s what the idea is for Mara. Keep in mind that SEE can remove GAS’s protection bar entirely: Mara’s ability is nice, but not gamebreaking.

It’s sort of interesting how some Omicrons (Boba, QGJ, Dash) elevate a team to almost GL level and others (Chirpa, Sidious) are just decent buffs.

"TargetEadu;c-2321713" wrote:

"Abyss_003;c-2321553" wrote:
So I have a TW question based on her Omnicron. After reading it, she seems like an anti-GAS.
Start of turn, she wipes out the enemy leader’s protection (In my example, GAS) so she would make GAS kneel immediately. She then reduces max HP by 50% permanently so when GAS eventually gets back up, his protection is halved.
Agreements? Counter-points?

So I guess my question is will GAS get a rework based on Mara’s TW ability or is this the intent?

I’m pretty sure that’s what the idea is for Mara. Keep in mind that SEE can remove GAS’s protection bar entirely: Mara’s ability is nice, but not gamebreaking.

It’s sort of interesting how some Omicrons (Boba, QGJ, Dash) elevate a team to almost GL level and others (Chirpa, Sidious) are just decent buffs.

I feel like the delineation is that if a character belongs to a team that’s under-used (Nebbit, Chirpa, Sidious, Rose) they get a nice buff. If they belong to a popular team that’s just fallen behind (First Order, Bounty Hunters, Jedi) they get the steroids treatment inside one facet of the game.