Yoda gains bonus turn meter despite HK's zeta

Regardless of the wording, HK's zeta was blatantly created as a hard counter to GMY, and at the moment it's not fulfilling that task. It needs looking at, otherwise it's a fairly worthless zeta when facing JKR teams.

"Palanthian;c-1823810" wrote:
Regardless of the wording, HK's zeta was blatantly created as a hard counter to GMY, and at the moment it's not fulfilling that task. It needs looking at, otherwise it's a fairly worthless zeta when facing JKR teams.

it works... i've just called my gmy with jolee and he didn't gain any tm (of course, attacking a toon with over 50% health so gmy can gain the tm)... so... are you guys sure that the gmy you looked had the buff protection up?

"Fahrius;c-1823964" wrote:

"Palanthian;c-1823810" wrote:
Regardless of the wording, HK's zeta was blatantly created as a hard counter to GMY, and at the moment it's not fulfilling that task. It needs looking at, otherwise it's a fairly worthless zeta when facing JKR teams.

it works... i've just called my gmy with jolee and he didn't gain any tm (of course, attacking a toon with over 50% health so gmy can gain the tm)... so... are you guys sure that the gmy you looked had the buff protection up?

Literally the whole thread has been discussing this....whether or not he gets TM or Protection Up first. It's order of operations....

The question is whether or not it is working as intended, according to the devs. As a player, it's certainly misleading. And a pretty useless zeta if it doesn't impact yoda.

"Palanthian;c-1823810" wrote:
Regardless of the wording, HK's zeta was blatantly created as a hard counter to GMY, and at the moment it's not fulfilling that task. It needs looking at, otherwise it's a fairly worthless zeta when facing JKR teams.

No, HK's zeta was created as a hard counter to 3p0

"Jarvind;c-1823678" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1823666" wrote:

"Skiddlydiddly;c-1823560" wrote:
It's written in English and in English, that would mean it happens afterwards.
It's a multinational game, so more effort should be put into the wording and translations.

It isn't an ordered list. It's a description of what happens in no particular order. It uses the same style of writing as it always has. It doesn't even slightly mean that. Insisting it does is having personally maintained ignorance.

Learning how they word things is the way to go, not trying to push your meanings on them. And their parlance is also common and accurate in common English. It's your personal vernacular that has it means something other than what it does, not common English.

I can't tell if you're trolling, but in case you're actually this dense:

then
/T͟Hen/
adverb
1.
at that time; at the time in question.
"I was living in Cairo then"
synonyms: at that time, at that point, in those days; More
2.
after that; next; afterward.
"she won the first and then the second game"
synonyms: next, after that, afterwards, subsequently, later
"she won the first and then the second game"


Anyway, this is a fairly ridiculous bug given that this zeta seems to be pretty much specifically made to hinder Yoda.

I'm not trolling, but you are confused. The 'and then' has nothing to do with the part of the description that talks about tm gain. The 'and then' is in the clause of the sentence that talks about spreading buffs (and then spread buffs), not the separate sentence that talks about tm gain.

Therefore it doesn't apply to the part about tm gain. Not in common english. In personal parlance it may apply to everything stated after 'and then', but the rules of the language do NOT say that.

I'm not trolling, I'm helping all the people who think this doesn't work how it's worded to see that they are incorrect.

TLDR, it says "and then spread buffs" NOT, "and then gain tm".

"Skiddlydiddly;c-1823560" wrote:
It's written in English and in English, that would mean it happens afterwards.
It's a multinational game, so more effort should be put into the wording and translations.

In French the translated Jango Fett into Boba Fett in it's kit ?

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1824659" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1824595" wrote:
No, HK's zeta was created as a hard counter to 3p0.

Yep, I’m regularly struggling against 3PO teams giving massive amounts of turn meter to his galactic republic allies.

3p0 gives himself bonus prot when he uses OMG so it neutered the zfinn team from being able to beat Darth Revan. Not that it's an issue anymore. Darth Revan already had more than enough options to deal with Jedi though.

The description in game is written as is because no TM gain is involved at ability level one and is added in the description as you level it up.

The order of which it appears as stated In the mechanics section on swgoh.gg is that the TM gain is applied before the buffs are gained and spread.

"FailingCrab;c-1824735" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1823666" wrote:

"Skiddlydiddly;c-1823560" wrote:
It's written in English and in English, that would mean it happens afterwards.
It's a multinational game, so more effort should be put into the wording and translations.

Learning how they word things is the way to go, not trying to push your meanings on them. And their parlance is also common and accurate in common English. It's your personal vernacular that has it means something other than what it does, not common English.

While I appreciate your insight on the mechanics, your interpretation that this is standard English is dubious.

Generally when events are described, it's the case that they take place in chronological order and each sentence precedes the next.

I went out with my friends. We had dinner. I came home.

The dog bit me. I went to the hospital.

It's by no means the norm that things occur simultaneously unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Standard English only dictates an order when explicitly stated unless telling a story. That isn't the case here. It's a description, not a story.

People take all kinds of short cuts in local vernacular, but they often cause problems with common English

This is also important in T3’s Kit as well. His ability describes removing TM first, but turns out he actually applies the debuffs first, which renders the TM removal irrelevant. I was extremely disappointed to learn this just now, as I was planning on using that TM removal to help with DR mirror matches against faster opponents.

"Bulldog1205;c-1825506" wrote:
This is also important in T3’s Kit as well. His ability describes removing TM first, but turns out he actually applies the debuffs first, which renders the TM removal irrelevant. I was extremely disappointed to learn this just now, as I was planning on using that TM removal to help with DR mirror matches against faster opponents.

This has been reported and referred to game devs for review last I saw. There’s another bug with this ability and foresight too.