Your TM fix broke the game.

Are you telling me that you are happy watching what GR do in fleets?

you have said all that I have been trying to say

except I get the blunt end for it

good luck to you

@Kyno please close this thread OP it lost

"Pan2218;c-2171571" wrote:
look bro, Kyno has already established that teams such as FO & Rebels have benefited from this. What do you want?

An example with actual details about what is broken. That is all.

Also those teams dont benefit, they just have a more predictable game play, that means the players can plan and strategize more. It doesnt make those teams operate better on thier own, just gives the player more control.

"Pan2218;c-2171562" wrote:
when 333 Greef + 25 speed cant even take a turn because rebels are going crazy out of tm...hmmm try Sith with GC...If you are faster, you are lying

If this is specifically Rebel Roundup then your whole "TM fix broke the game" claim is bunk. They start with pre-loaded turn meter to increase the difficulty of Wave 1 in particular. That's perfectly normal in specific events like that (Assault Battles, Mythics, etc)

Remember how many people used to absolutely lose their minds over the Thrawn event Mythic tier?

That was, what, almost 2 years before the "TM fix" that broke the game in your mind.

CG has always used pre-loaded TM as a "gear-gate" or "team composition" gate to ensure its sufficiently difficult.

As for Sith in GC, yeah the speed on the Rebels is really high, but it's not completely mental. Not to mention CLS' Lead and Unique both grant TM to the entire team as the battle unfolds. Nothing new there. You're simultaneously benefiting from the same "TM fix" in that battle if you're running EP.

As for being faster in Sith GC: Yup. I was faster.

Vader at 379 goes first (275 + 104 unique).

Using this GC is an example is not an effective argument seeing as how there are modifiers and other factors in play that would not otherwise be there in a normal match.

1. As stated above the enemy team, in the higher tiers, start with preloaded turn meter so it’s extremely hard to outrun them. This is not because of the TM fix seeing as this has always been in the game. You can outrun them as also stated above. My DR is 331 and he is somewhat close to outrun ing them, I suspect Luke’s speed is somehwere in the 340-350s.

2. The rebels have a modifier that lets them attack again if they score a critical hit. If Luke attacks 3 times in a row and scores 6 total debuffs then he effectively gains 60% turn meter and other allies gain 30% because of his unique. Obviously this will never happen in a real match

3. The frostbite mechanic reduces speed for each stack on a toon

You would have to provide an Arena, TW, or GAC matchup as a sufficient example. It would be all the better if you could provide all the 10 characters involved in the match and exactly what has changed since the TM fix

"Vendi1983;c-2171595" wrote:

"Pan2218;c-2171562" wrote:
when 333 Greef + 25 speed cant even take a turn because rebels are going crazy out of tm...hmmm try Sith with GC...If you are faster, you are lying

If this is specifically Rebel Roundup then your whole "TM fix broke the game" claim is bunk. They start with pre-loaded turn meter to increase the difficulty of Wave 1 in particular. That's perfectly normal in specific events like that (Assault Battles, Mythics, etc)

Remember how many people used to absolutely lose their minds over the Thrawn event Mythic tier?

That was, what, almost 2 years before the "TM fix" that broke the game in your mind.

CG has always used pre-loaded TM as a "gear-gate" or "team composition" gate to ensure its sufficiently difficult.

As for Sith in GC, yeah the speed on the Rebels is really high, but it's not completely mental. Not to mention CLS' Lead and Unique both grant TM to the entire team as the battle unfolds. Nothing new there. You're simultaneously benefiting from the same "TM fix" in that battle if you're running EP.

As for being faster in Sith GC: Yup. I was faster.

Vader at 379 goes first (275 + 104 unique).

Dude, this convo has been floating for much longer. Understanding of interaction is not the problem. But thank you

@DarjeloSalas think it's best you leave him too it , you will have an easier time trying to prove the world is flat, OP is not up for having his mind changed or providing any sort of coherent argument with proof of his issue .