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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdU2laEDuMA
Here are the speeds:
BB8 - 276
R2 - 261
RJT - 216
The vid is at 1x speed so it’s easy to see. BB gives GK Secret Intel, and to himself. GK is not resistance, so RJT should get 8% TM. Yet, she gets way more and takes a turn before R2; and R2’s bar isn’t even at 100% as well, so it’s not that they both hit 100% and RNG made Rey go first.
Th critical piece is this: we know R2 starts with 16% TM in his bar, from BB8. So even if RJT were to get 16%, that would equalize RJT and R2 in terms of TM gain ... but R2 is still faster. The fact that RJT is slower and should be gaining less TM than R2, yet gets a full bar before R2, proves that she is getting way too much TM. More than 8%, and even more than 16%.
I have made a reddit post about this, copying and pasting it here for a thorough analysis of the bug:
Check out the youtube video in this link where a Rey turn meter trial is made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jru4jzzI0Kw
In 0:06, BB8 puts secret intel onto General Kenobi. Normally, according to ability descriptions, Rey should gain only 8% turn meter. However Rey gains over 30% turn meter and even surpasses R2-D2 which has been boosted by 16% turn meter at the start of the match !!!
In 0:12, Rey should gain 60% turn meter from debuffing opponent General Kenobi. This also doesn't seem correct as I see Rey gaining more than 60% turn meter in here. I think she is gaining turn meter from herself gaining secret intel "although it is stated in virtuous protector as other resistance allies".
This is proved when the attacking squad's general kenobi is debuffed with 2 debuffs, Rey should gain 16% turn meter from this, 60+16 = 76% turn meter, but VOILA, Rey is 100% turn meter AGAIN.
I won't analyze the rest of the video but there are plenty of more examples of Rey gaining ABSURD amounts of turn meter, making everyone who has invested mods and team-gear to other squads in a great disadvantage.
- EA_Grasshopper8 years ago
EA QV Team
Thanks for the report! We've flagged this for further investigation.
- scuba758 years agoLegend
Re: In 0:06, BB8 puts secret intel onto General Kenobi. Normally, according to ability descriptions, Rey should gain only 8% turn meter.
BB-8 Actually gives himself SI buff twice so that is a resistance ally gaining SI x2 which is 16% TM
If you look at 0:07 and then at 0:08 you will see "Secret Intel" toast message twice over BB-8 - Anonymous8 years agoI had wondered about that, seeing the “secret intel” tag flash twice. I can’t imagine that that’s an intended behavior, as I see no text in anyone’s abilities that would permit it. In fact, Secret Intel itself specifies “ANOTHER resistance ally.”
But even accounting for that second instance of Secret Intel, which would give RJT 16% rather than 8%, it still doesn’t explain how she outstripped R2 in TM. - Anonymous8 years agoIs there any update on this or timeline for a fix? Arena defense is a joke at this point, and it’s pretty frustrating.
- 8 years ago
As replied on the other thread by Mothren, I am copy pasting my observations here.
I don’t think there’s a conflict with what is happening in game and the ability descriptions. The problem is in the order of operations.
1) BB8 performs Covert Data
2) BB8 gains 1st SI
3) Resistance ally gains 2nd SI (Assume Resistance for this example)
4) Upon completion of Covert Data, the 2nd SI on other Resistance ally checks to see if any special ability was performed, check is successful since BB8 performed Covert. BB8 gains 3rd SI from other Resistance ally.
5) RJT checks how many SI was gained by Resistance allies and gains 24% TM (3x8)
Whether this is WAI is unknown, but I’ll file it under the whole OB gains Taunt under Fracture order of operations effect.
- Anonymous8 years agoI agree that’s whats happening in a RJT vs non-RJT match, and also don’t know if it’s WAI.
But in the RJT mirror match there’s more. The videos in this thread shows she gains more than even 24% TM. There is some other bug, separate or related, that causes EVEN ADDITIONAL turn meter gain when there’s another RJT (or perhaps another BB8?) across the holotable. - EA_Grasshopper8 years ago
EA QV Team
Hey all, this has been flagged as a bug and will be fixed in a future update. Thanks for the report and additional information.
- Anonymous8 years agoI've seen no mention of this in the update notes. Can we get some kind of status report? This issue really skews the meta and arena ladder.
- Anonymous8 years agoNot to mention the extreme frustration of seeing other bug fixes come and go with this acknowledged problem still unaddressed. It cheapens the investment of anyone who has invested in top-level gear and mods when a less developed team can win on offense because of these TM bugs.
- 8 years agoAny news? Anything?
- Anonymous8 years agohttps://youtu.be/u44DCbNNfog
https://youtu.be/MiQREwI1V4k
This shouldn't happen, ever. Arena is a farce right now. This needs to be fixed sooner, rather than later. That it has been allowed to persist this long is flat out ridiculous. - Anonymous8 years agoIt's great that the masses can be placated with a relatively minor 30 character shards, but maybe we can also get the arena ladders for the majority of the player base fixed as well.
- 8 years ago
Any news? Guess not.
- 8 years agoIs there any news on that? ...it would be great if you could fix that as long RJT teams are meta. I really don’t understand why such an crucial issue needs that long to get fixed and no update since weeks on that!
- 8 years agoI don’t pretend to understand all “the math” you guys are talking about or using, but I do agree there are elements not WAI, especially with the stats the original poster posted.
I have noticed that RJT does seem to gain way more TM than she should.
Seeing as how this has been up for over a month it is way past time for an update on what is happening.
Mods, please give an update. - 8 years ago1 month is really a long time... it seems they decided to wait for the new sith meta... so if only a few play RJT they don’t need to fix that issue!
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