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hunchew
3 years ago
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Omicron Mara Jade and Hux interaction in TW

I believe there may be issue with the interaction between Mara Jade omicron ability and General Hux with a full FO team (in my case specifically omicron Phasma lead).

Mara Jade omicron specifies that Mara Jade "gains 100% turn meter" in TW "at the start of battle".

General Hux Boundless Ambition states that Hux "gains Advantage for 2 turns at the start of each encounter" and "if all allies are FO, enemies can not gain bonus turn meter".

Does Mara Jade 100% turn meter count as " bonus turn meter".   To try and understand, I looked at swgoh.gg ability mechanics.

Mara Jade mechanic is defined "Recover 100% turn meter" with descriptive tag "speed_recovery"

Hux ability specifically affects "speed recovery" with an Immunity 

From reading this, it seems like Hux should prevent MaraJade initial 100% turn meter gain.  However, that doesn't seem to function that way.   Subsequent turn meter gains are prevented, but the initially, Mara Jade still moves first against an Omicron Phasma team with General Hux present. 

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  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    3 years ago

    Like @EnigmaPotatoes said, it's an order of operations thing. Uniques apply individually in a specific order. So if Mara's triggers first, Hux can't stop her.

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  • EnigmaPotatoes's avatar
    EnigmaPotatoes
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @hunchew So "normally", Enemy Uniques trigger first.
    So it's likely that Hux Unique blocks Mara's starting TM when it's Mara attacking Hux.

    But not when it's reversed.

    But it's hard to test this as it's an Omicron.
  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Hero (Retired)
    3 years ago

    Like @EnigmaPotatoes said, it's an order of operations thing. Uniques apply individually in a specific order. So if Mara's triggers first, Hux can't stop her.

  • hunchew's avatar
    hunchew
    3 years ago

    Well, that's entirely inconsistent behavior.   The one consistency we have understood (that immunity operation takes priority) is now tossed due to order of operations at the beginning of the match.  Looks like a definition of a bug to me. 

  • hunchew's avatar
    hunchew
    3 years ago

    Some additional information.  Consider a scenario of FO+Hux vs Iden Version + trooper team.  By your logic, Iden unique would apply first, but test has shown that it may not necessarily always be the case as demonstrate by the attached image. 

  • ChristophIV's avatar
    ChristophIV
    Hero+
    3 years ago
    @hunchew Are you sure the opposing Mara didn't just outspeed your Phasma? Before Starkiller's unique is factored in, she'd need to be 346 or higher to go first.
  • EnigmaPotatoes's avatar
    EnigmaPotatoes
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @hunchew Yes it is inconsistent, there are tons of interactions in this game that are inconsistent.
    Swgoh and inconsistency tend to go hand in hand.

    For the record, I'm not defending how it should function. More explaining the way it likely works.

    CG are capable of "fixing" it, as JMK correctly blocks the TM gain even though it would occur later on the order of operations.
  • hunchew's avatar
    hunchew
    3 years ago

    @ChristophIVThis is omicron Phasma in TW. She gains 100 speed and 37.5% TM at the start of battle. A 260 speed phasma is 541 effective at the start. 

  • hunchew's avatar
    hunchew
    3 years ago
    @EnigmaPotatoes I appreciate your answer, but would like to hear from CG on this. From my perspective, this is a bug and I am reporting it as such.

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