TRAVELER MOD QUESTIONs

I don't know about oblivion so much, but the situation you have created is not how the mod was intended to be used.

The Traveler mod procedure to move sims to a different world (more or less) permanently is to vacation them there, have them purchase a vacation home (change an unoccupied one in Edit Town to Player Ownable if you need to or else there might be no vacation homes to purchase), move into it fully so they are no longer staying in the free housing provided for by the mod, invoke Traveler's Change Hometown on them, save (as), quit to desktop or Origin, and reload.
http://nraas.wikispaces.com/Traveler%20FAQ
(see the Switching Homeworlds sections towards the end)

If I know in advance that this is how I want things to go, I might have the vacationing sims "stay" on an empty residential 10x10 I would have set aside for this purpose beforehand, and have them purchase and move into the home I really want them to own almost right away after arrival. Then as above.

The procedure is not to travel your sims to a new (to them) world and abandon them there by switching households and ignoring their vacation clock as it winds down. Nowhere in the documentation does it suggest doing that. What I believe happens then is that the connection between the instance of MH you are playing and the AP homeworld becomes broken and there is no way to return to it from where you are now, besides reverting to a much prior save and re-doing the ending of the original vacation another way. The game will be stuck somewhere between vacation and regular homeworld play mode and you are in unsupported territory by then.

Edit: Actually, re-reading this now, it is okay to switch households briefly, not permanently, while in vacation mode. The Traveler mod should react by changing its Pause Travel setting to True and its Treat as Vacation setting to False for you since of course the other household presumably lives there already. But the step missed was that at some point relatively soon you must switch back to the household that was on vacation, unpause Travel and change Treat as Vacation back to True if this doesn't happen automatically, and then either proceed with the remaining tasks to switch homeworlds on them (buy vacation home, move into it, etc.) or else end the vacation by sending them back home.

There are reasons we list these steps out as precisely and carefully as we have. The game is fragile enough as it is without adding more sources of "what happened to my homeworld?" to it by undertaking creative but less than supported actions on what should be connected worlds. I'm sorry if it sounds like I am scolding here, I really don't mean to be, but I just cannot understand why so many players ignore the documentation that comes with these mods and do things so totally differently. You certainly aren't the only one who has played their game into a corner like this over the years! :/

I also don't know why you have two Appaloosas. I mean, I understand how that happened from the way you described things, but the game does not understand. As far as the game is concerned, you are either playing an ongoing save with the Pets EP in place and using the stock AP world designed by EA and installed by the Pets EP, or you aren't. As near as I can tell, you cannot do both. Maybe I misunderstood where the two .world files are coming from. If Pets is not in play at all and hasn't been anywhere along the line here, do you have two entries in your InstalledWorlds folder in the user game folder in Documents?

Having said all of this now, I will also point out that besides all the procedures not exactly being followed, some custom worlds just do not work well with Traveler because they are not set with a unique ID number in their creation stage. So travel away and back again to/from these worlds just does not work and new instances of them are always created upon re-entry. The latest versions of Traveler (v87 or the current beta testing v88 version) help cut through some of that, but it's not always going to be successful. It's best to test custom worlds off to the side with some test regular vacations and moves back and forth first, before using them on a "real" game to be so connected, so that you would know in advance whether the worlds even have a chance to work out well in an ongoing rotational back and forth type of game. Given the other variables above though, it is impossible to say if the custom AP you are using is contributing to the problem or not because of this exact issue.

@igazor
First of all thanks for reading it all and taking the time to answer and to explain.

The .nhd "trick" is something I read here somewhere and I thought it could be cool, appearently I took it one step too far :grimace:

"igazor;c-16479004" wrote:

I just cannot understand why so many players ignore the documentation that comes with these mods and do things so totally differently. You certainly aren't the only one who has played their game into a corner like this over the years! :/

I can speak for myself that I often get lost in all the technical details of how everything should be done . for me, technical stuff/understanding systems in general are learnt better via practice, I take it under consideration when using any mod and do back ups for "real" saves for that reason. I really don't have the capabillty to be a mod expert beforehand (especially when talking about complicated mods with many functions).
Just to clarify, I have no complaints about the mod (this one or any other) or its creators, on the contrary, I admire the modders work. But that's just a little percpective from the user end.

Regarding the two AP - it is an empty version of the original AP from Pets, it works as a CC world, it does not require Pets to work. (I do have Pets, but it was disabled in the launcher).

"igazor;c-16479004" wrote:

do you have two entries in your InstalledWorlds folder in the user game folder in Documents?

"igazor;c-16479004" wrote:


some custom worlds just do not work well with Traveler because they are not set with a unique ID number in their creation stage.

I should check that.


Thank you very much !

In case this helps at all, I have just spruced up that section of the Traveler FAQ so that it lists the essential switching homeworld steps to take in order, one at a time, after the general discussion. We should consider doing an illustrated version of that FAQ like one of my predecessors did with Porter, but not until after our move to the new site to make sure such an effort doesn't get wasted or lost in transition.

"igazor;c-16479868" wrote:
In case this helps at all, I have just spruced up that section of the Traveler FAQ so that it lists the essential switching homeworld steps to take in order, one at a time, after the general discussion. We should consider doing an illustrated version of that FAQ like one of my predecessors did with Porter, but not until after our move to the new site to make sure such an effort doesn't get wasted or lost in transition.

Thanks and good luck with the new site :wink:

I'm sorry, but you seem to be getting stuck on the part that isn't usually the most complicated. Let's see if we can get you past that.

My sims are vacationing in Dragon Valley, I did this up real quick so the screenshots are not going to be very pretty. They are staying, as offered by the Traveler mod, in some cheap not very nice looking house. I want them to purchase a vacation home and move into it so they can then make DV their permanent homeworld.

I have changed the lot type on the home I want them to purchase to Player Ownable. They can purchase it from the Real Estate and Travel Services menu by smartphone.


Once they do so, they are still living in the cheap rented house but the map tag for their new vacation home looks like this with the star icon that wasn't there before.


Back on the smartphone, this is now what the Real Estate and Travel Services menu looks like. I will select Move To.


I am presented with a map showing all of the possible properties they can move to in that world -- there is only one, the vacation home they just purchased.


I am then asked for confirmation that this is what they want to do.


Once I confirm, the move animations start and my sims begin making their way over to their new vacation home to stay thus leaving behind the cheap not so nice one forever. In Map View (not Edit Town), I can see my sims are still just outside of the cheap rental about to make their way to their new vacation house. The vacation house they are moving into shows up with a regular "this is your home" type of map tag.


Once they actually move into that vacation home and the animations finish, this is where I would expect Traveler's Change Hometown to work, if it's going to work with the two worlds that are in play at all.

I always have difficulty following instructions too.

"Nikkei_Simmer;c-16480510" wrote:
Can you do this with the WA worlds too? I want to buy the lot that had the large tower like structure that Yasunobu got to stand on in Champs Les Sims. :D

To live there permanently as a homeworld? I think so once you get past the visa requirement one way or another. But WA worlds are not designed for great playability. The locals have no jobs other than those working Role type positions in markets and places like nectaries, there are no schools or City Halls, the built-in demographics do not favor babies or toddlers. They kind of exist as backdrops for the sims we vacation there to loot the tombs, go up the adventure quest chains, pick up new skills, find mates, or whatever else we have them do while there, then get out of town again.

It would take some work to make these worlds more playable as homeworlds, at least for those of us who keep trying to manage entire towns as we play.

Some players who want this experience find it better to play custom worlds that are designed with a WA world theme to them. Not sure if these custom worlds tend to have the tombs all ready for exploration in the same way, though.

"Nikkei_Simmer;c-16480510" wrote:
Can you do this with the WA worlds too? I want to buy the lot that had the large tower like structure that Yasunobu got to stand on in Champs Les Sims. :D

Have you tried saving the lot you like to the bin and placing it in another world that works like a world sims can live in permanently?

I believe that only foreign EA worlds that were originally intended to be traveled to and back (WA, Uni, Oasis Landing) will appear in Edit Town for transitions while editing, so that part should not be concerning.

Have to admit that I have never traveled with more than 7 sims so I never even thought to ask about that. But if the block is on moving with a controllable household of that size, it sounds like you do not have NRaas Mover in play or it isn't working as expected. The mod is supposed unlock moves and splits with, into, and out of overstuffed households. Allow Greater Than Eight > True is a default setting for Mover. Or it's possible that Mover just doesn't work with vacation homes, but I've never seen that reported before.

I would suggest trying this all over again very quickly with a test game not using the custom world. Load or start one up in an EA homeworld, make some obvious change to it (add a bowling alley or change something that's very easy to see), vacation let's say one or two sims to another EA homeworld (not from WA), go through the purchase and move procedure, Change Hometown, save quit and reload, and travel back to where they came from to see if the already played in world loads with the bowling alley or whatever you have added. If it works as intended, then we have to conclude that the issue is indeed with the custom version of AP that you were starting with.

"igazor;c-16480782" wrote:
I would suggest trying this all over again very quickly with a test game not using the custom world. Load or start one up in an EA homeworld, make some obvious change to it (add a bowling alley or change something that's very easy to see), vacation let's say one or two sims to another EA homeworld (not from WA), go through the purchase and move procedure, Change Hometown, save quit and reload, and travel back to where they came from to see if the already played in world loads with the bowling alley or whatever you have added. If it works as intended, then we have to conclude that the issue is indeed with the custom version of AP that you were starting with.

Alrighty, so I tested it now with a few EA worlds and one CC world

--> it works well!!! :smile:
Now I am sure that the empty AP world is not suitable for travelling purposes... At least I finally understand now how the hole thing works :relieved:

"igazor;c-16480782" wrote:
I believe that only foreign EA worlds that were originally intended to be traveled to and back (WA, Uni, Oasis Landing) will appear in Edit Town for transitions while editing, so that part should not be concerning.

You are right about that, I noticed now that in all worlds, the hometown icon disappear and the Uni. stayes once it becomes the homeworld.

Many many thanks @igazor for the patience to answer throughout the thread !!! :smiley: :+1: