Re: [ARCHIVED] Sims wear default underwear when naked

@StrifeDacosta
@KSiha

I take back what I said about it not happening in my game. The steps to trigger it mentioned by KSiha A MONTH AGO did it for me - https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Sims-wear-default-underwear-when-naked/m-p/14233477/highlight/true#M304796

PartFlags are fine and there's nothing funky in the Tags...

I'll dig around the Tuning side with my backups.

I created a mod for EP08 called the Mobility Assistance Platform (M.A.P.) and whatever is broken is affecting the code I used in my custom Tuning resources that's supposed to force the M.A.P. to be removed when taking a shower. Instead the sim is bathing with it on. That's a breadcrumb.

No promises but I'll see what I can do about this nonsense.

@Mr_T_2024
@crinrict
@EA_Cade

I don't think saving and loading is broken. I will verify this soon - all I need to do is get into Live Mode, play a bit, don't enter CAS, shower a few times, "Change into Nude" a few times, SAVE AS... and exit and resume. If the bug ain't present then there's nothing wrong with saving or loading the game. I've been saving and loading my game multiple times over the past month and never encountered this because I never enter CAS in Live Mode and that seems to be "a" or "the" trigger.

I think they broke the "EntherBathing" function or something related to the "EnterBathing" function.

This function is used in every instance where sims get nude, including "Change into Nude", taking a shower or skinny dipping or streaking, etc. - any instance where sims are suppose to strip nude.

I believe this assessment is right because it's the only way I see that this could be affecting all sims after "the bug" is triggered.

My M.A.P. uses "EnterBathing" to force removal of the M.A.P. when taking a shower. It works as it's meant to as long as I don't enter CAS in Live Mode before trying to shower, but once I enter CAS, the bug triggers, breaking "EnterBathing" and my M.A.P. stays on while bathing.

This is why resetting "Nude/Bathing" isn't fixing the problem permanently. It's NOT an issue with the underwear.

Here's an excerpt from my ongoing investigation:

"Something is broken somewhere and under certain circumstances - which appear to include simply entering CAS while in Live Mode - it is causing the default underwear to appear on sims when they're supposed to be nude, but it's not only the underwear because it's happening with my [EP08] Mobility Assistance Platform (M.A.P.) too, after entering CAS.

I haven't been able to trigger it yet without first entering CAS but from what I've read, when it breaks, it appears to break for EVERY SIM IN THE GAME as long as the session continues.

It's also possible that if you save after it breaks, you're saving the "bug" too. At least that's the impression I'm getting from the comments in that Bug Report. I'll test this later to verify.

In all the time I've been in Live Mode over the past month, I have not encountered this, until I followed the directions posted by another simmer in order to replicate the "bug". Simply entering CAS once or twice then taking a shower or using the "Change into Nude" interaction... it just breaks the game!"

If you can mod, you can use an "underwear remover" as a band-aid for now.

"Underwear removers" are usually simple CAS Clones/Overrides of the underwear or the "NudeBase" CAS items with modified (removed or added) "DefaultForBodyType[X]" flags. This was confirmed by another simmer.

@Alas_Enkidu
... was on the mark when they pointed out entering CAS is potentially "THE" trigger.

I'll be back with anything else I'm able to rule out or verify. The amount of troubleshooting I can do here is limited because of how many updates have passed. For e.g. when we had the Glasses distortion bug, I tracked that issue to the EXE. Swapping to the previous EXE broke certain functions but the Glasses weren't breaking. There's a possibility this problem is EXE too but I can't verify as easily because too much breaks when I swap to such an old EXE. I can't even start a New Game.

I haven't been able to pinpoint anything in the Tuning resources that's broken yet, but thousands of resources have changed since Update 10/01/2024 and Update 10/22/2024 so it's a slow pro- actually, I compared bad there. I compared 10/01/2024 with 12/03/2024 when I should have compared 10/01/2024 with 10/22/2024 since the issue was reportedly caused by 10/22/2024! Pfft! That's what happens when you're sleepy.

I don't think the solution is in Tuning though because I don't think anything in Tuning defines "EnterBathing", but I still want to sift through Buffs with a fine tooth comb.

I think I've ruled out Scale Form GFX resources by override all of the 12/03/2024 SGFX resources with the 10/01/2024 SGFX resources. If the problem was in there, the 10/01/2024 override would've solved it - providing everyone is right when they say this started with Update 10/22/2024.

@SejianBut if you reset bathing outfit in live mode, let them change into nude there is no underwear, If they then change to an outfit and enter shower again, there is still no underwear. The issue only returns after restarting the session.

@Mr_T_2024
I get that, but I think it's irrelevant. Fixing the Bathing outfit isn't fixing the problem, and that's why it's not permanent when it's supposed to be permanent.

If you fix the bathing outfit then re-enter CAS a couple times and bath again, does the underwear show up again? I haven't done any troubleshooting that involves fixing the Bathing outfit because I don't believe the root of the problem is there. I think that's a symptom of something else. I'll check it out on my end though.

The thing with my M.A.P. mod is relevant because it's coded properly and everything related to "outfit_type_compatibility" is breaking. It's not the underwear and it's not just affecting the Bathing outfit.

@Mr_T_2024
That's actually why I can tell you it's not CAS causing it.

Entering CAS changes the "game mode" and that's why entering and exiting CAS makes the "bug" visible.

Try creating a New Game, enter CAS a few times but DO NOT do any action that strips your clothes. No bathing, no "Change into Nude". Don't reset the Bathing outfit. You can even Visit or Travel to another lot. Save As into a new save game, Exit to Main Menu, then Resume, then "Change into Nude". You shouldn't see any underwear and that's because with everything you just did before "Change into Nude", the bug wasn't triggered.

It isn't triggered until "EnterBathing" is triggered.

I can't explain why it isn't showing the first time it triggers. I can't explain why after that first time, if we don't enter CAS and "change the game mode" or save and resume, that we can shower multiple times and "Change into Nude" multiple times and we won't see the underwear.

What I can tell you is if you start a New Game and immediately "EnterBathing" and save and resume you will see the underwear immediately after resuming, but if you do it with CAS and never "EnterBathing", you'll never see the underwear immediately after resuming.

EDIT #1: I probably shouldn't have included "go swimming and change your outfit using Outfits... Pie Menu" because I haven't tested that bit yet to see if changing outfits on the whole triggers it.

EDIT #2: YEP, looks like one of those two triggers it too! I'll be back, I've got a pot on the stove. I'm literally making popcorn right now! LOL.

@Mr_T_2024
Methinks we just exposed the magnitude of this bug! Y'know I was gonna take a break after my big update. If you hadn't responded so quickly I'd have gone about my business until later. I'd give you some of my popcorn if I could.

THIS IS WORSE THAN ANY OF US THOUGHT!

@crinrict
@EA_Cade

Along with what I said here - https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Sims-wear-default-underwear-when-naked/m-p/14318516/highlight/true#M308731 - about "outfit_type_compatibility" commands breaking with this...

THIS BUG IS TRIGGERED BY ANY ACTION THAT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGES YOUR OUTFIT!

If you go on a jog and the game switches your outfit, you just got bugged.

If you go for a swim and the game switches your outfit, you just got bugged.

If your one and only neighbor invites you to - what's that thing they say they have tickets for - and the game switches your outfit, you just got bugged.

I assume if you leave for work and the game switches your outfit, you just got bugged!

And if you save the game after any of this happens, you're saving the bug to the save game. Huzzah! 🎉

Follow the instructions for a New Game but instead of "Change into Nude", go for a Jog instead, then Save As, Exit to Main Menu and Resume. Try it with swimming, I did.

Like En Sabah Nur said in "X-Men: Apocalypse" when Jean unleashed the Phoenix (before they retconned it and ruined the continuity with Dark Phoenix):

ALL IS REVEALED!

Goodbye. 💀

@Sejian Could you please stop tagging me on this thread. Thanks much.

Please only tag me if I asked you something or if you feel I misunderstood one of your posts.

Fret not, I have no need to after that last one.

There should be enough information in all of those comments for EAxis to figure out what they broke and fix it.

It ain't underwear. It ain't any of the options that strip the sim. It ain't CAS. It ain't saving or loading.

Whatever controls automatic outfit switching is broken.

Cheers!

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@Sejian wrote:

Fret not, I have no need to after that last one.

There should be enough information in all of those comments for EAxis to figure out what they broke and fix it.

It ain't underwear. It ain't any of the options that strip the sim. It ain't CAS. It ain't saving or loading.

Whatever controls automatic outfit switching is broken.

Cheers!

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Your finding is greatly appreciated! Thank you again @Sejian ! 

Is there any hope that EA is working on this?  Anyone have any clue? It’s been months

@nickinbigd    In all this time, there has been no feedback from EA that they have taken note of the bug and are working on a solution.
Instead, they seem to be only interested in selling new packs. Whether the game is playable or the customer has fun doesn't seem to interest them. I'm very disappointed.

I just noticed a new side issue related to this bug. Adult Sims will get naked regardless of the presence of children and teenagers. And no one reacts with shock or surprise.I guess because underneath the pixelation they aren’t really naked.

It gets worse if you have one try to suntan. They have the tan lines from the default underwear. 307 people had this problem, Me Too's all over the first post. Crickets from EA and Maxis.

@nickinbigd
This is incorrect but it might be a symptom of the larger issue. Underneath the mosaic censor they are in fact nude, or THEY WERE before this thing happened. It appears as though the Tags that define "NudeParts" are broken... or the Bathing/Nude outfit's definitions are broken. I can't say for certain. The way this triggers and the things it affects make no sense other than something very serious is broken and it's taking a bunch of other functions with it.

@Mr_T_2024
@Syntheas
@StrifeDacosta
@bc0414sc
@Redphun

The only "BAND-AID" I can give you right now is an "underwear override" that overrides the hidden "NudeParts" to make them "DefaultForBodyType[X]". This will replace the default underwear in CAS and Live Mode with the "NudeParts" that are used when nude. You won't have to keep resetting your Bathing/Nude outfit with this and it should work for all sims including Target/NPC sims.

I don't think I'm allowed to share an "underwear override" here though, so if you want to find mine, you'll have to seek me out Elsweyr - "sejianismodding" should get you there.

There are a couple other band-aids I'm looking into also.

One is very invasive, and if I can achieve it, it will remove all automatic outfit switching in the game, which will have the undesired consequence of doing exactly what it sounds like it's gonna do, but hopefully it will have the desired effect of preventing an unbugged saved game from bugging out - this thing is saving to saved games and I have no idea if it's going to fix itself if EAxis ever fixes this.

Another I've already done, but I'm hesitant to share it publicly because it's possible that - again, if EAxis ever fixes this - it will result in another "underwear bug" upon removing it from the game. It has the same effect as an "underwear override" so.. I see no point in potentially causing more headache by sharing it since it's another "BAND-AID" and not a "BUGFIX".

@Mr_T_2024 - You might be right about them being drunk. With over 40 bars in the Creative Skills tab (making Mixology 1/3 of all the Creativity items), I've long suspected they might just be obsessive alcoholics. We have 1 Pipe Organ, 2 Journals, 4 or 5 Pianos, 3 Microphones, 4 Cameras. Name any Creative Skill and there's no more than single digit items for it, but more than 40 freaking bars! WHY!?

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@bc0414sc wrote:

It gets worse if you have one try to suntan. They have the tan lines from the default underwear. 307 people had this problem, Me Too's all over the first post. Crickets from EA and Maxis.

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That's how I noticed it the first time.

I found a temporary fix:
https://www.curseforge.com/sims4/mods/other-mods-reset-bathing-outfit

That mod works with the commands stated. You will have to use the commands multiple times as it is not a permanent fix.

@WillBridger  As i wrote in Post #7 in this thread - Resetting the bathing outfit helps only for the session. It doesn't fix the issue. And I'm not sure you're doing your sims any good with the way this mod works. It is made for emergency cases when wrongly tagged CC breaks the bathing outfit.

@Mr_T_2024  That is why I stated "temporary fix"  

And not even a temporary fix for those of us on consoles 

I'm going to update my "underwear override" BAND-AID and give this some more attention, but I don't have an ETA on either. I'm wrapping up some other projects and still doing 1/14/2025 compatibility checks.

I just popped in to post my screenshot and bump this thread like I do with this one - https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/OPEN-Spine-distortion-on-male-Sims-with-female-frame/td-p/13895791

UPDATE 1/14/2025 MAKES FOUR OFFICIAL UPDATES AND WE'VE JUST CROSSED INTO FOUR MONTHS.

This issue first appeared with Update 10/22/2024.

Apart from those FOUR updates, we've had (if my count is correct):

• 2 Kits
• 1 Creator Kit (+4 coming soon)
• 1 FOMO Event (+1 coming soon)
• 1 Expansion Pack

Everyone else enjoying their 25-Year Anniversary? I know I am! I haven't had a good play session since Feb-Mar 2024, and when I finally figured I'd take some time off from modding and play a little I came across this thread. Our bodies are broken, "automatic outfit switching" and whatever is going on with the "Bathing" outfit is broken, but hey! NEW KITS! REDESIGNED HOUSES! A ROADMAP OF CONTENT! ................................................