Do you want story progression?

I feel like I've answered this already recently, but sure, only if I can toggle it off for my own Sims. Townies though I do want them to progress on their own since I do that manually with every death cycle.

...Actually... Didn’t Sims 4 attempted to do something like Story Progression-like?

The Culling, the (weird glitch?) that gave unemployed Sims a random job, the giving of Sims random love crushes, even when they were married, etc?

I’m glad they fixed the random lovebirds thing.

So I wonder how they would do actual Story Progession? Especially if they didn’t give some of us choices (like the random romantic love interests situation)?

I hope they give us (those of us who don’t really like SP too much) player agency, if they put in full-on actual SP. I really do.

ETA: I don’t mind some bits of SP, but it needs to be done really good and provide good options like the SP mods.

Only if I can get a detailed set of customization options to dictate how it works in my own game. I don't like how TS4's quasi-story progression system makes played sims from my inactive played households make new friends, enemies, and love interests when I'm not playing them. However, I also know that there are players who enjoy having a persistent world that evolves around their active household--their own played sims in other households included--and are delighted by the surprise of coming back to a household, only to find that the husband now has strong romantic feelings for some random townie. A comprehensive suite of settings for this feature is the only way to please everyone...THE ONLY WAY.

Yes, for my unplayed sims.

"JoAnne65;c-16599606" wrote:

The question is ‘do we want story progression’, not ‘do we want Sims 3’s crippled version of story progression’ (so crippled that after a few years they patched it out of the game). And I think it’s a misconception people who like story progression in their game want the game to be a tv show. Unplanned stuff happening around your sim isn’t like watching a tv show at all, on the contrary, because for players who love that (I for instance don’t care to play rotational at all, for me that would be a bore) it’s in fact the surprises that hand the gameplay. When the girl I had put into my game to become the love interest of my sim appeared to be pregnant after a sim week, I had to deal with that (I loved it and decided to raise the kid). Because it’s the player who will have to decide how their own sims are going to react. Unlike a tv show where everything’s scripted by others, including the lives of the main characters.

You explain this perfectly. Thank you. :)

I love when there are interesting and surprising developments in the game -- things that my played Sims get to react to. Those things spark interest and motivate me to turn my game in unexpected, but ultimately satisfying, directions.

"agustd;c-16599647" wrote:


...We all want something different from the game but that's why we should be calling for options, not cancelling features important to others. I don't like supernaturals but if I had the power to somehow, magically influence EA decision makers to never ever include them in the series again I would never decide to do that.

Exactly.

"bunny-gypsy;c-16602122" wrote:
...Actually... Didn’t Sims 4 attempted to do something like Story Progression-like?

The Culling, the (weird glitch?) that gave unemployed Sims a random job, the giving of Sims random love crushes, even when they were married, etc?

I’m glad they fixed the random lovebirds thing.

So I wonder how they would do actual Story Progession? Especially if they didn’t give some of us choices (like the random romantic love interests situation)?

I hope they give us (those of us who don’t really like SP too much) player agency, if they put in full-on actual SP. I really do.

ETA: I don’t mind some bits of SP, but it needs to be done really good and provide good options like the SP mods.

Totally. Sims 4 still does have a bit of story progression, and I have unplayed Sims that I created showing up in random jobs to fill a role that I don't want. Then when I actually want a Sim in a specific role, like working in a restaurant or bar or retail or spa, etc... I don't have that choice. The Sims 4 story progression, in my opinion, is backwards. It doesn’t work correctly now, so I don't understand what makes people think it will function appropriately with even more of it programmed in.

But if there was a sturdy "off" toggle built in and made as the default, I could deal with it. Granted, I'm sure I'd be dealing with all of the bugs, too. But at least that choice would (theoretically) be better than no choice at all.

"Cupid;c-16601423" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16601411" wrote:
This game is only good with no SP when you like playing rotational.

I don't play rotationally and would not like SP. I don't think it's necessarily about playing rotationally vs not playing rotationally.

That means nobody in your world evolves is what I meant. No babies, no marriages. The only way to make that happen is when you rotate. When you’re ok with that, more power to you, but it’s as dictating and determining as a neighborhood that is evolving (which people consider ‘the game playing itself’). I feel sorry for all the brothers and sisters of my heir I sent out there who never met the love of their life and never had kids. It feels totally unnatural to me.

P.s. And nobody getting a job. Indeed, Sims 4 does that and I loved it, when my sim became a scientist, one of her colleagues turned out to be a sim I had played before and who I had put in the new save. I simply fail to see how that’s a bad thing. If you hate the guy being a scientist for some reason, hop over to his household and make him choose another profession. Easy as pie.

"bunny-gypsy;c-16602044" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-16601411" wrote:
I feel about no SP like others feel about yes SP. It’s spoiling the experience, I don’t feel like my sims are living in an actual world (that includes Sims 3 after they got rid of it and before I discovered mastercontroller). This game is only good with no SP when you like playing rotational. Not everyone does. If you’d be angry when they’d implement SP, maybe you can understand a little how those who do want SP feel without it.

...But it would change the game I have invested in the beginning. It brought me back into the Sims after the Sims 3 where I felt left out. One of the reasons I got into Sims 4 was because it did NOT have SP.

If you’re upset by lack of SP, then you would need to consider those of us who do not always want forced SP, too. It’s a never ending circle.

It goes both ways, and the best way to appease both sides is to provide options and toggles.

ETA: We can only hope the devs can do better job with SP than they did with Sim 3 and even better than the sims’ emotions and whims AI in Sims 4....

I consider those (which is why a toggle is best), but I have a feeling people consider no SP the way it should be because ‘you rule’. That I fail to see, because for me it’s so far off reality that I’d even go as far as calling it a flaw in the life simulation concept. Again, when you like to play rotational, you can make sure the whole neighborhood develops. But when you don’t (like me), there’s no real society.

I don’t really understand what people mean when they say they were left out in Sims 3. The game has a toggle. Apparently it didn’t work in the beginning of the game but they fixed that at one point. Plus in 2012 they removed every autonomous marrying and getting babies all together. Without NRaas SP towns die out in Sims 3 as well.

I think this would be a great addition to the game. I know many people use MCCC to get around this, but if it was implemented in the game itself, I think it would add a lot more volume to the game.

Well, we have totally different playstyles, obviously. I loved Sims 1 and Sims 2 more, and I still consider them to be life simulator games. (Though I also consider them also like dollhouse and archecture games, too.)

I’m going to defend and fight for my playstyle. Maybe I should vote NO next time in another SP poll.