I understand that teh world was made smaller for performance reasons and i know that consoles are not as powerful as a PC, but come on... I understand why Brindleton Bay were smaller than the other towns, and i had no problems with it. You know... Small coastal town would be extremely huge, but an LA inspired world almost the size of Forgotten Hollow? Thats frustrating.Please, take some time to fix the world, thats the only major complaint over this EP. I am pretty sure that you devs can make other worlds smaller to compensate this one.Also, i had an idea some time ago that would help to solve this problem. Do you guys remember in Sims 2 were we were able to choose to add or not the sub-neighborhoods, the shopping district, downtonw... etc?! People found ways to mod that to add more neighborhoods, maybe you devs could be inspired by that to add a customizable save file instead of forcing all the worlds at once.We would start the save by choosing our homeworld, the season and then in hte management tab we could choose to add or remove a new world to the save file. To avoid corruption, when deleting a world from the save, all the citizens would reamin, just deleting the world, then we could manually delete them if we wanted.That new feature would give you more freedom when designing new worlds, without the frustrating decision to shrink worlds that, like Valley Del Sol, should be bigger (you should also fix the name, its very wrong for a latin-language speaker to not get frustrated by Del Sol Valley, it sounds for me just like Valley Sunset Of would be for english speakers).Thanks for your attention, and i hope you guys take my idea in consideration.

there's no time to fix it-it's less then a month before its release

"Karon;d-949987" wrote:I understand that teh world was made smaller for performance reasons and i know that consoles are not as powerful as a PC, but come on... I understand why Brindleton Bay were smaller than the other towns, and i had no problems with it. You know... Small coastal town would be extremely huge, but an LA inspired world almost the size of Forgotten Hollow? Thats frustrating.Please, take some time to fix the world, thats the only major complaint over this EP. I am pretty sure that you devs can make other worlds smaller to compensate this one.Also, i had an idea some time ago that would help to solve this problem. Do you guys remember in Sims 2 were we were able to choose to add or not the sub-neighborhoods, the shopping district, downtonw... etc?! People found ways to mod that to add more neighborhoods, maybe you devs could be inspired by that to add a customizable save file instead of forcing all the worlds at once.We would start the save by choosing our homeworld, the season and then in hte management tab we could choose to add or remove a new world to the save file. To avoid corruption, when deleting a world from the save, all the citizens would reamin, just deleting the world, then we could manually delete them if we wanted.That new feature would give you more freedom when designing new worlds, without the frustrating decision to shrink worlds that, like Valley Del Sol, should be bigger (you should also fix the name, its very wrong for a latin-language speaker to not get frustrated by Del Sol Valley, it sounds for me just like Valley Sunset Of would be for english speakers).Thanks for your attention, and i hope you guys take my idea in consideration.Where are you from ? I'm from France, it sounds a bit weird to me too, as we'd say it the same way as in Spanish. But in English I think it would sound weird to say Valley Del Sol. Like if you said "Valley Sunset". And the game is American.

Don't worry, with all the outrage over the size of the new world, they might release another free world or make the next pack-world bigger than this to compensate for it. It has been like this in the past - people complain loudly, they will fix it in some way or another. Now that you said they should change the name to Valley Del Sol...I remember wanting the ability to edit world names since City Living came out, as I didn't like the name "San Myshuno" either and would have liked to rename the world. I mean, I just recently discovered that you can edit the world descriptions, so why not the names as well?

"Karon;d-949987" wrote:I understand that teh world was made smaller for performance reasons and i know that consoles are not as powerful as a PC, but come on... I understand why Brindleton Bay were smaller than the other towns, and i had no problems with it. You know... Small coastal town would be extremely huge, but an LA inspired world almost the size of Forgotten Hollow? Thats frustrating.Please, take some time to fix the world, thats the only major complaint over this EP. I am pretty sure that you devs can make other worlds smaller to compensate this one.Also, i had an idea some time ago that would help to solve this problem. Do you guys remember in Sims 2 were we were able to choose to add or not the sub-neighborhoods, the shopping district, downtonw... etc?! People found ways to mod that to add more neighborhoods, maybe you devs could be inspired by that to add a customizable save file instead of forcing all the worlds at once.We would start the save by choosing our homeworld, the season and then in hte management tab we could choose to add or remove a new world to the save file. To avoid corruption, when deleting a world from the save, all the citizens would reamin, just deleting the world, then we could manually delete them if we wanted.That new feature would give you more freedom when designing new worlds, without the frustrating decision to shrink worlds that, like Valley Del Sol, should be bigger (you should also fix the name, its very wrong for a latin-language speaker to not get frustrated by Del Sol Valley, it sounds for me just like Valley Sunset Of would be for english speakers).Thanks for your attention, and i hope you guys take my idea in consideration.When I saw this before I opened it I thought you meant the glitches that were discovered at Sims Camp. One of which is the camera is broken at the Penticles. It keeps jerking up. Several Sim Campers have confirmed this and some of the houses are missing toilets in the bathroom. Now these are what I want to be fixed before the EP releases.The size of the city won't be fixed as it would delay the game release if it was and we don't want that.

"Huiiie_07;c-16797899" wrote:Don't worry, with all the outrage over the size of the new world, they might release another free world or make the next pack-world bigger than this to compensate for it. It has been like this in the past - people complain loudly, they will fix it in some way or another. Now that you said they should change the name to Valley Del Sol...I remember wanting the ability to edit world names since City Living came out, as I didn't like the name "San Myshuno" either and would have liked to rename the world. I mean, I just recently discovered that you can edit the world descriptions, so why not the names as well?I have always gotten confuse with that haha maybe they add this in the future, for us to edit the name"catloverplayer;c-16797936" wrote:"Karon;d-949987" wrote:I understand that teh world was made smaller for performance reasons and i know that consoles are not as powerful as a PC, but come on... I understand why Brindleton Bay were smaller than the other towns, and i had no problems with it. You know... Small coastal town would be extremely huge, but an LA inspired world almost the size of Forgotten Hollow? Thats frustrating.Please, take some time to fix the world, thats the only major complaint over this EP. I am pretty sure that you devs can make other worlds smaller to compensate this one.Also, i had an idea some time ago that would help to solve this problem. Do you guys remember in Sims 2 were we were able to choose to add or not the sub-neighborhoods, the shopping district, downtonw... etc?! People found ways to mod that to add more neighborhoods, maybe you devs could be inspired by that to add a customizable save file instead of forcing all the worlds at once.We would start the save by choosing our homeworld, the season and then in hte management tab we could choose to add or remove a new world to the save file. To avoid corruption, when deleting a world from the save, all the citizens would reamin, just deleting the world, then we could manually delete them if we wanted.That new feature would give you more freedom when designing new worlds, without the frustrating decision to shrink worlds that, like Valley Del Sol, should be bigger (you should also fix the name, its very wrong for a latin-language speaker to not get frustrated by Del Sol Valley, it sounds for me just like Valley Sunset Of would be for english speakers).Thanks for your attention, and i hope you guys take my idea in consideration.When I saw this before I opened it I thought you meant the glitches that were discovered at Sims Camp. One of which is the camera is broken at the Penticles. It keeps jerking up. Several Sim Campers have confirmed this and some of the houses are missing toilets in the bathroom. Now these are what I want to be fixed before the EP releases.The size of the city won't be fixed as it would delay the game release if it was and we don't want that.hm, but those glitches are probable cuz they were not playing a final version of Get Famous. @catloverplayer And, to be honest? I know that some people would be, but i wouldnt be bothered if they delayed the game a little bit to fix that world. I mean... Yes @Huiiie_07 they can add another free/empty world in the future, but i dont want another ugly/basic Newcrest. I mean, i like Newcrest, but i really wanted Del Sol Valley to be big, i love all of the backgrounds and how cute the neighborhoods look, but they are dissapointing.Many succesful game developers have already stated that delaying a game should not be seen as a bad behaviour... Sims 4 wasnt delayed, actually it was rushed and we had many problems in its release!

Please fix "Valley Del Sol" before release!

NebraskaDawn
7 years ago
The world size will not be changed. A guru tweeted that Del Sol Valley is not too small. According to them the size of this world is perfectly acceptable. It is not important to them that some simmers enjoy creating a diverse community of neighbors for their sims to interact with. Maybe if I just keep saying it ... This world is not too small! This world is not too small! This world is not too small! This world is not too small!

Well, I guess I will just have to get back to you about whether this works or not because so far ... um ... no. Maybe if I say it a few more times. Or maybe if I say it louder. Or maybe if I say it while standing on my head and drinking " sim juice"...
catloverplayer
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
"Tiarella;c-16814655" wrote:
@catloverplayer - I'm not sure which lot you're referring to, but isn't that what always happens when a lot is backed up against a mountain/high wall, etc? It's been that way since The Sims, and is the reason I don't like playing lots that are right next to mountains/high walls/etc--even though I love mountains! I can't get a 360-degree view of the lot I'm playing because the camera jumps around, unable to determine what level it should be on.

It s all the lots at the pennticles. A lot of the youtuber game changers have said this is a bug with the camera. It continually jumps up in the air.
karon_shiruba
7 years ago
"michelei;c-16814796" wrote:
The world size will not be changed. A guru tweeted that Del Sol Valley is not too small. According to them the size of this world is perfectly acceptable. It is not important to them that some simmers enjoy creating a diverse community of neighbors for their sims to interact with. Maybe if I just keep saying it ... This world is not too small! This world is not too small! This world is not too small! This world is not too small!

Well, I guess I will just have to get back to you about whether this works or not because so far ... um ... no. Maybe if I say it a few more times. Or maybe if I say it louder. Or maybe if I say it while standing on my head and drinking " sim juice"...

I wanted to understand the criteria for him to say that the world is not small. Did he mean the size of the world in relation to the game file and how much it weighs in memory? Or did he just mean that the world is big and full of things to be done, families to be played, houses to be built...?
NebraskaDawn
7 years ago
@Karon

https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1057682245052358656
paradiseplanet27
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
"michelei;c-16815708" wrote:
@Karon

https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1057682245052358656

So...

the world became small to make the active career lot more dynamic; that's how I read it.
NebraskaDawn
7 years ago
@paradiseplanet that is the way I took it too. I stand by my original opinion. This would have been an incredible Game Pack. I do not know what idea offends me more. They either repackaged it as an Expansion Pack and rushed it out or someone actually okayed the idea of wasting money on a world that for many of us will be unusable because of its tiny size. Again I do not understand the decisions being made here.
LovegoodOddity
7 years ago
"Karon;d-949987" wrote:
... like Valley Del Sol, should be bigger (you should also fix the name, its very wrong for a latin-language speaker to not get frustrated by Del Sol Valley, it sounds for me just like Valley Sunset Of would be for english speakers).

Del Sol Valley doesn't sound weird to me. "Del Sol" is supposed to be a full name. In this case, "Del" is not a Spanish article but part of the name. It shouldn't be translated or used as separate words in any language. Spanish names preserve their form even in another language. So what you would call "Valle Santa Clara" or "Valle del Sol" would be Santa Clara Valley and Del Sol Valley in English.

In addition, Del Sol Valley is inspired by Los Angeles, California. L.A's original name was "El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula" (in English, town of our lady the Queen of Angels of the River Porciúncula)" (Wikipedia).

So you can pretend Del Sol Valley is the shortened version of a bigger name.
Sigzy_29
New Spectator
7 years ago
"michelei;c-16815708" wrote:
@Karon

https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1057682245052358656

None of what he said is co-related. Why is it small then? Because you spent time and effort making studio lots for the active career?

There's only one studio lot and it uses the same tech that the Temple in Jungle Adventures has, they used the same code to make it so that the lot has a changeable stage they didn't even spend any resources making the code from ground up because it was already made previously.

It's really not a justification. It is a beautiful world though, or rather, it has beautiful detailed backdrops. The pre-made houses aren't that good.
justme22
7 years ago
"Karon;c-16801653" wrote:
"a delayed game is eventually good but a rushed game is forever bad" - Miyamoto, Shigeru.

@paradiseplanet @LeGardePourpre They wanted the game not to have toddlers, not to have cars, not to have pools, not to have pet houses... That doesnt mean anything if we're not happy about it and make noise. They produce the game, we give them money to do that, without our money there is no game and no job. I mean... I know that it is impossible to add everything everyone wants in the game, but they should use common sense while developing this game. Pools have been in Sims 1/2 and 3 base games, thats common sense. World-inspired large cities have always been larger than regular worlds in previous games, thats common sense.
I understand that a console cant handle as much worlds as a PC game can, but that doesnt mean they should lower the level of the game to fit the console. Thats a huge issue just like turning The Sims into an online game was before. Have you imagined what would happen if they decide to port the game for mobile? How bad the game would be treated not to get heavy on a regular smartphone affecting our PC version?!
And, no. I am not saying they should port The Sims to consoles, i know that many gamres who have purchased consoles dont buy PC, or a PC version of The Sims if they already have it in consoles, but they can come up with smarter solutions to their problems. They could have thought about adding a "add and remove worlds" option instead of affecting the size of the worlds. Imagine how crazy the game would get if they did add a CAW tool if we are not able to manage which worlds we want or not.
Usually i buy Sims 4 packs on release if i think it deserves my money to show appreciation to the producers work. One of the things i most love about new packs are the new worlds. I understood why seasons didnt had a world and i respected that, i bought that in its release. I am going to buy Get Famous on its release only if they fix the world, it makes the pack look like a GP. I will not avoid buying the game, i will buy it with the best discount I get in the future, and such thing does not value the work of Maxis. Even thoughI have severe anxiety I would rather wait if they delayed the pack if it meant having the expansion at the level that deserves my money in its entirety.
My money deserves to be valued as much as the work of the producers.

About the TODO list for "real issues". If the world size is not an issue to you, it doesnt mean its not an issue to me. The fact that they are slow than they should be at fixing bugs/glitches and stuff like that comes from EA not giving The Sims a budget and a bigger size of production team that the game deserves. I think it even needs more producers than aany Sims game had, it has a lot of issues, lacks a lot of content that should have been in the game from start and many other things. Dont rain on my parade, i love and care for this game just like you. Dont act like if i didnt had bugs or glitches before, asking one thing (which should be a priority before the pack release instead of a. fter) doesnt exclude the fact that i want them to fix the "rotten piles of leaves" for example.

(I should also point that i dont wnat them to rush adding the "add and remove worlds" option NOW, thats probably really hard to code. I want them to fix the world. Maybe its size will lag the game for now in some computers, but once they add that "add and remove worlds" option this problem will be fixed!).

The fact that we got pools patched in relatively quickly tells me that they did want to add pools, but ran out of time to get them in before release; perhaps there was an issue with routing (I remember there were mods that caused Sims to walk on top of the pools instead of swimming; fine if you're doing a Biblical playthrough but not for modern day). The toddler situation was the fault of previous management, and Grant has said on Twitter than they basically ran out of time to do babies properly which is why we got the object babies.

As for the name, I'm fine with it. Certainly, "Valle del Sol" would be more accurate from a language point of view but complaining about that seems to be nitpicking. There are places in California where you have a mashup of English and Spanish in place names. For example in the SF Bay Area there is a town named Los Altos, which means loosely The Heights, then next to it a town named Los Altos Hills, loosely translated The Heights Hills. :o I have a feeling that once the pack releases next week and people start playing, the name of the world will be the last thing on people's minds.
karon_shiruba
7 years ago
"michelei;c-16815708" wrote:
@Karon

https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1057682245052358656

Thanks. @michelei
Guys, i am not nitpicking the name. I just think its the most easis=est problem that they could solve. Its simple, small and could be changed without spend a huge budget (or any, at all).
And, thanks for showing me why he said that the world isn't small. Its just another weird excuse out of nowhere, and as @Sigzy05 said they already had the tech for the changeable temples from Jungle Adventure.

@LeGardePourpre lol :smiley: