#BnS136 - A Tiny HangoutThe deadline for this challenge is 30 April 2020You are just tidying up your office when you hear the door close behind you. You turn to find a teen-aged boy slouching into the room. His hair is black, and his eyes are bright blue. He is about medium build, although it is hard to be sure since his clothes are so baggy.
"Hello," you say warmly. "How can I help you today?"
He looks at you blankly. You notice the wires coming out of his ears. He removes his ear buds, and you repeat yourself.
"Yeah, hey," he acknowledges you. "I am just starting college in the fall."
He pauses, so you congratulate him. Then you wonder why he is here, smacking the gum in his mouth and staring at you.
"Yeah. yeah," he finally continues after a very long moment. "My parents have given me a small plot of their estate to live on."
Again he pauses, but this time you merely wait on him.
"Right, so...I need a place to live," he says. "You know, on this land. But I don't know how to build, do I? So I've come to you to build it."
"Well, you have come to the right place, Mr?"
"Oh, right. Yeah. I am Guy Orange," he says, giving you a slight smile that looks suspiciously like a smirk.
"Well, Mr. Orange, let's start with some basics. How big is the lot we have to work with?" you ask politely.
"Yeah. It measures 20 by 15," his eyes never leave you. His staring is beginning to make you jittery.
Suddenly he blurts out, "Half of the lot needs to be a hangout space, maybe around a fire pit. For me and my mates."
"Okay," you say, hiding your shock with some quick note taking. "You will need a bathroom, a place to sleep, a place to eat... What else would you like?"
"Yeah, so... a place to study. And a place to play video games."
"That is very do-able. What is the budget?" you ask briskly.
Still staring and chomping on his gum, he answers, "They gave me $30,000. Yeah. I need this quick. They want me out of the house, like yesterday."
"I can have it for you by the end of the month," you assure him.
"Yeah. Get to it then," he says, putting his ear buds back into his ears and still staring at you. You nod as he gets up and slinks out of your office. As soon as the door closes, you pull out a small mirror and check your teeth for any food caught in them, wondering what he had been staring at.
THE BRIEF*due April 30, 2020
*the budget is 30,000, which does not include the cost of the lot.
*use a 20x15 lot.
*the house itself should be no bigger than half of the lot, placed at one end of the lot. You can build up and down in the same footprint.
*outside needs a fire pit and landscaping.
*have spaces for a kitchen, a bedroom, a bathroom, a study, and a place to play video games.
Sim Challenge*create Guy Orange and his family.
*show all their clothing choice and give skills, likes, etc.
*show them looking around Guy's new home.
Room Challenge*create the small kitchen.
*the budget is $8,000
Entry ListStarting OutBUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 – A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: @icanhasims
ORIGIN ID: icanhassims
LEVEL: (first entry)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Comfy Cubby in Newcrest
NEW LOT LINK: Guy Orange's Bachelor Pad https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/29C659D1793011EA81B4ABC23C933B11
LOT COST: $1,500
GALLERY COST: $28,209
TOTAL COST: $29,709
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://icanhassims.weebly.com/136-a-tiny-hangout.html
ENTRY DETAILS: Rodrigo and Maria are ready for their son, Guy, to start flying on his own. They've set aside part of their estate for him to move into. Their decision was accelerated by the fact that Guy likes to party and his parents (who are admittedly a bit snobby) don't like having the "riff-raff" around.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136
FORUM ID: MikkiMikkiMikkiM
ORIGIN ID: MikkiMikkiMikkiM
LEVEL: Beginner
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Oak Alcove
NEW LOT LINK: At first I thought we had to build the house in the backyard of an actual house, so I downloaded a house from the gallery, and now it says that my build is from the person who built that house, and I don't know how to change that. https://www.ea.com/en-ca/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/AF265E9C7F5311EA8BB31F067F591854?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=all&searchquery=MikkiMikkiMikkiM&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: $1500.00
GALLERY COST: $29,554
TOTAL COST: $31,054
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/HeyjJIo
ENTRY DETAILS:
Guy Orange might seem like a spoilt, sullen teenager to outsiders, but he's really just a quiet and shy kid. When his parents told him he needed to move out, they also said he could live in the old shed at the end of the garden. Guy likes to hang out with his friends to play games, watch movies and sit around the campfire, so this is a perfect spot for him. His small budget didn't allow for too many luxuries, but he has what he needs: a bed, a kitchen, a bathroom, a study, and a place to hang out with his friends.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: -
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
Build-n-Share Challenge #136 - **A Tiny Hangout **
FORUM ID: LionessInMN
ORIGIN ID: Nihlia
LEVEL: Unknown, I entered BNS#35 in 2016 but none since
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Rindle Rose
NEW LOT LINK: Rindle Rose Microhouse https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/39D9C21A825B11EA85511F067F591854
LOT COST: 2,000
GALLERY COST: 19,583
TOTAL COST: 21,583
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Imgur Gallery for Rindle Rose Microhouse https://imgur.com/gallery/uo73w0S
ENTRY DETAILS: I know the budget on this was 30,000 but I really wanted to make a starter tier 1 house. Guy can spend the extra money on his car, which is parked in the driveway!
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: None used
TWITTER TAG: N/A
FACEBOOK PROFILE: N/A
TUMBLR LINK: N/A
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Becka28
ORIGIN ID: beckablitz
LEVEL: Starting Out
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Comfy Cubby
NEW LOT LINK: Guy's Tiny Hangout https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/68AE605E846711EA85A6335C231BF121
LOT COST: $1,500
GALLERY COST: $29,082
TOTAL COST: $30,582
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Gallery #BnS136 https://imgur.com/a/NG4FrTt
ENTRY DETAILS: Guy is an older teen who has moved out into his first home. It meets requirements for a Small house in Tiny living (94 squares). Guy , being a teen has splurged on items like his computer, 2 TVs and consoles but has extremely cheap counters and appliances etc. Decoration is minimal and masculine - the only art is some posters which reflect Guy's interests. His house is set up as a party pad with a fire pit, cooler and grill. This is my first time experimenting with terrain tools (I chose this build because it was on a small lot).
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes, please.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: n/a
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Aleisha 18
ORIGIN ID: AleishasBuilds
LEVEL: First Challenge so I'm not too sure
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Comfy Cubby - Newcrest
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/2697280A8A8A11EA84A5335C231BF121
LOT COST: $1,500.00
GALLERY COST: $29,521.00
TOTAL COST: $26,714.00 (depreciated somehow?)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/JqQbXG9
ENTRY DETAILS: This is my entry for Guy Orange’s new loft style apartment. I thought that his parents would have gifted him a small parcel of land at the back of their property and we "utilized" an old barn or shed for his new home. I decided to go with a loft style as you can create more space for less, I wanted to add in a barbecue on the balcony but went with lounges instead.
No CC used.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please
FORUM ID: Pepper61
ORIGIN ID: Peepper6661
LEVEL:Starting Out
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Streamlet Single (Willow Creek)
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/E4E58A0A8ABB11EA80571F067F591854?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=all&searchquery=pepper6661&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: $1,500
GALLERY COST: $29,510
TOTAL COST: $31,010 (lot cost was not included in budget)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/Jq9kkgE
ENTRY DETAILS: Guy Orange and his parents have been at each others necks for a while now. Guy loves to have his pals over a lot and his parents are tired of the noise in the house. They have always been a very close family and they don't want him far from home. To make things better for everyone they have offered up part of their land and a $30,000 Loan to build a small living space of his own. My job was to build it for him. It was quite the challenge with the budget, but i managed to build and funish his small home for him. He'll be moving tomorrow and I really hope he likes it.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Absolutely.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM (please copy and paste into your entry post)
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Carther99
ORIGIN ID: Carther99
LEVEL: (First Entry)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Oak Alcove
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/2DA979808B5411EA86C4D8331C484446?category=lots&searchtype=item_name&sortby=newest&time=weekly&searchquery=place&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 29,976
TOTAL COST: 31,476 (but lot not included in 30,000 limit)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://www.flickr.com/photos/188222577@N03/albums/72157714109702971
ENTRY DETAILS: Elegent yet functional design allowing Guy Orange to sleep, study, eat and play video games in the privacy of his bachelor pad.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
TWITTER TAG: Not on Twitter
FACEBOOK PROFILE: Not on Facebook
TUMBLR LINK: Don't know what Tumblr is or why it is missing an e.
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136-A Tiny Hangout
Forum ID: MaryKup
Origin ID: MaryKup
Level: just starting out in BnS
Link to lot: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/9CE5B4DA8B5511EA8DF0D8331C484446?category=lots&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=weekly&searchquery=Marykup&max=50&maxis=false
Lot cost 1,500
Gallery Cost: 28.510
My build cost: 30,010
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/cWC7Qia
I saw this house watching a HGTV show and made a full sized one. Thought it translated well into a tiny home with a few changes. Hope you all like it
No CC was used. Move objects, show hidden and testing cheat were used, no CC.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM (please copy and paste into your entry post)
CHALLENGE #136
FORUM ID: SimSense2000
ORIGIN ID: SimSense2000
LEVEL:
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: University Street
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/46EC769A7C1911EA8A118DBC48AB3951?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=all&searchquery=SimSense2000&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: 1500
GALLERY COST: 29965
TOTAL COST: 29965
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/gallery/RbNoigM
ENTRY DETAILS: Guy Orange is going to college but he hates the dorms. His parents decided to buy him a small piece of property and gave him a $30000 simolean budget to build a home. With a little help, Guy managed. He is now ready to attend classes.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Please
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: none
TWITTER TAG: https://twitter.com/SSense2000
FACEBOOK PROFILE: https://www.facebook.com/SimSense2000-102938
TUMBLR LINK:
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
Sim ChallengeSIM ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 – A Tiny Hangout (Family)
FORUM ID: @icanhassims
ORIGIN ID: icanhassims
LEVEL: (first entry)
HOUSEHOLD: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/00597648793011EA80CBABC23C933B11
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://icanhassims.weebly.com/136-a-tiny-hangout.html
ENTRY DETAILS: Three-member family, two parents and a teenage child who will be starting college soon. Parents are well-off and not afraid to spend their money on their son. Guy, however, is a pretty low-key person, preferring to simply hang out with his friends between study sessions. He isn't flashy or snobby like his parents, so it's probably a good thing he's getting his own space soon!
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
Room ChallengeROOM ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 – A Tiny Hangout (Kitchen)
FORUM ID: @icanhassims
ORIGIN ID: icanhassims
LEVEL: (first entry)
ROOM: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/13F16C9D793111EA8740ABC23C933B11
GALLERY COST: $7,815
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://icanhassims.weebly.com/136-a-tiny-hangout.html
ENTRY DETAILS: This is Guy Orange's new bachelor kitchen. To learn more about his story and see his whole house, check them out in my gallery.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
EstablishedBUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
Build-n-Share Challenge #136 - **A Tiny Hangout **
FORUM ID: PINKUSFAMILY
ORIGIN ID: PINKUSFAMILY
LEVEL: Established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Oak Alcove
NEW LOT LINK: *Tier 2 Tiny OakAlcove* https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/B3462CDF811711EA88316B07E7FA6E3B?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=weekly&searchquery=PINKUSFAMILY&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 28,215
TOTAL COST: 29,715
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Sims 4 Build-n-Share Challenge #136 - **A Tiny Hangout ** https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/home/leaving?target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpg%2FMoms-Sims-3-4-Creations-1652411471645604%2Fphotos%2F%3Ftab%3Dalbum%26album_id%3D2684094155143992
ENTRY DETAILS:Containers were used for this tier 2 tiny home built for Guy Orange. As requested, it takes up only half the property at Oak Alcove in Willow Creek. All requested spaces were easy to accommodate.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: Art by SimSationalToo in the gallery
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Pinklady1
ORIGIN ID: Pinklady633
LEVEL: ???
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Spring Steppes (Britechester)
NEW LOT LINK: https://ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/5450D95F83C011EA86C0335C231BF121?category=all&searchtype=item_name&sortby=downloads&time=all&searchquery=Woodstone%20Hangout&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: $1,000
GALLERY COST: $29,928
TOTAL COST: $29,603 (I believe this is a depreciated price for the lot.)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/gallery/WE2ENwJ
ENTRY DETAILS: A small home built for the single University student who loves to hangout. It comes equipped with a gaming console, a place to study, and a firepit. Also, what is a place to hangout without a good game of juice pong in the backyard.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: None
FACEBOOK PROFILE: https://www.facebook.com/carmen.cantrell.94
CHALLENGE 136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Wendyology
ORIGIN ID: wendyoloy
LEVEL: established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: comfy cubby
NEW LOT LINK: Game and Garden https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/CC8E9D3A881B11EA8DDA5DA213C1DFCC?
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 28,140
TOTAL COST: 29,640
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/fOlguhC
ENTRY DETAILS: Guy Orange's favorite things are gaming and being outside. This modern starter home has a small footprint so that there is space in the yard for gardening and a fire pit. Inside, the living room is equipped with a faming system and upstairs the study has a new laptop computer.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout - Concrete, Clay & Cactus
FORUM ID: Archer_Sim
ORIGIN ID: saturnspoon
LEVEL: Established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Nookstone
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/0E66BC0E88F411EA85D75DA213C1DFCC?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=all&searchquery=saturnspoon&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 28,931
TOTAL COST: 30,431
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/zl9yRZ5
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
Sim ChallengeSIM ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID:Wendyology
ORIGIN ID:Wendyology
LEVEL: Established
HOUSEHOLD: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/445694988A6911EA829A5DA213C1DFCC?
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/A41brRp
ENTRY DETAILS: Guy's family made their fortune growing exotic flowers and sending them all around the world. Although he has maxed skill in gardening, Guy's love is gaming - he's an expert ready for professional tournaments. His parents thought, what to do? They decided to give him the chance to pursue his dreams but far away from gossipy Windenberg society. He also has well-developed in programming, painting, and writing as well as decent "adulting" abilities.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
ExpertBUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Talea12345
ORIGIN ID: ATalea1230
LEVEL: Expert
LOT: https://www.ea.com/de-de/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/34471FC377E411EA81653A0A7F8BC425?category=all&searchtype=hashtag&sortby=downloads&time=all&searchquery=BnS136&max=50&maxis=false
GALLERY COST: 25,093
LOT COST: /
BUILD COST: 25,093
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/gallery/p8pRvPd
DETAILS: Guys Tiny home! It fits on the 32-tile category. I really wanted to build a tiny home for a long time, but I still really struggle with the Sims4 not allowing half floors. They are so important in small spaces! As a result, most of this is build for looks and not for total playability...
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: None
FACEBOOK PROFILE:
TUMBLR LINK:
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: pronterus
ORIGIN ID: Prawnt
LEVEL: Expert
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Crick Cabana
NEW LOT LINK: One-Man Hangout https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/4487C214883611EA88D11F067F591854?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=newest&time=all&searchquery=pronterus&max=50&maxis=false
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 28,494
TOTAL COST: 29,994
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: HERE https://imgur.com/a/np5gY0T
ENTRY DETAILS: One-Man Hangout is designed to fit a single bachelor prepping for university life. It carries a masculine tone while retaining a sense of warmth and coziness inside. Many measures have been taken to increase the maximization of space inside. The home includes a carport, a backyard with a fire pit, a laundry area, and roof windows to make use of natural sunlight. Although small, it can accommodate groups of friends for games and other gatherings. Classified as a Tier-3 Small Home by the Tiny Living Board, it comes with additional benefits.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes, please.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
BUILD ENTRY FORM.
CHALLENGE #136 - A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Devilariah
ORIGIN ID: Devilariah
LEVEL: Expert.
LOT: (is taking its time again appearing so will post later =( ).
LOT COST: 3500
LOT NAME: Raffia Quinta, Oasis Springs.
GALLERY COST: 29109.
Sim ChallengeSIM ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136 A Tiny Hangout
FORUM ID: Talea12345
ORIGIN ID: ATalea1230
LEVEL: second time entering a family
HOUSEHOLD: https://www.ea.com/de-de/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/E6BDAC6177E611EA8D6F3A0A7F8BC425?category=all&searchtype=hashtag&sortby=downloads&time=all&searchquery=BnS136&max=50&maxis=false
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/gallery/tSOwxHY
ENTRY DETAILS: I tried to go by what was written about the sims in the challenge brief. Usually I don't design families, so any suggestions / ideas / feedback is very welcome
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: none
FACEBOOK PROFILE: /
TUMBLR LINK: /
MasterBUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #136
FORUM ID: AlJay
ORIGIN ID: AlJay2000
LEVEL: Master
SIMS 4 LOT NAME Catscratch Cottage
NEW LOT LINK: I uploaded 2 versions to the gallery one with cc and one without. The only difference is the Gaming art wall collage behind the desk
NOCC Party At the Docks https://www.ea.com/en-ca/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/B8E5F5237BFF11EA8B4CF2ED66B80B86
CC Party at the Docks
(Sorry, I can't figure out how to get custom content builds to show up on the gallery)
LOT COST: $1000.00
GALLERY COST: $29,948.00
TOTAL COST: $30,948.00
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: A Tiny Hangout https://imgur.com/a/ebuzp4M
ENTRY DETAILS:
Guy Orange is starting university in the fall and his parents want him out of the house "like yesterday". They have given him one of their old storage warehouses on the docks, which we have renovated into a nice cozy hangout for guy and his friends. You see, Guy comes from a wealthy family. His parents own a shipping company in Brindleton Bay and have worked very hard to make it successful. Guy on the the other hand does not have the same ambition as his parents. All he seems to care about is having a good time. His parents are hoping that this will finally teach him some responsibility. They are insisting that he goes to university so that he will be qualified to one day take over the family business, because as it stands now they are seriously considering other possibilities.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes, please
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: All nocc artwork and cc artwork was created by myself
ResultsStarting OutComments1st Place: @Becka28
2nd Place: @LionessInMN
3rd Place: @Aleisha18
Room Challenge: @icanhassims
Sim Challenge: @icanhassims
EstablishedComments1st Place: @Pinkusfamily
Room Challenge: N/A
Sim Challenge: @wendyology
ExpertComments1st Place: @pronterus
Room Challenge: N/A
Sim Challenge: @Talea12345
MasterComments1st Place: @AlJay
Room Challenge: N/A
Sim Challenge: N/A