For those arguing why the Hijab & whatnot are not in a seperate pack:

"RobinGreenthumb;c-17229161" wrote:
Really, the fact that people throw such a big fit over differences existing in their game, honestly disturbs me. They just basically want a game that not even for 10 seconds before they swap a sim’s clothes doesn’t even remind them that people outside their narrow beliefs exist.

In a life simulator.

Ah well.

Geeze though. It does crack me up a bit to think how much they would flip out if religion WAS actually added to the game in a cohesive level in a game pack. I mean, I would love it because as a filthy Heathen I could pagan it up to my heart’s content, but I wonder how many statues of Norse deities or African Traditional religions’ gods it would take to have people REALLY clutching their pearls?

That's true but I don't want to be triggered while playing and I like to "paint" my world to be somewhat better than ours.

People could really abuse such a pack, also throw in some villains.

"simmerLella;c-17229219" wrote:

"izecson;c-17229107" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228908" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I wasn't asking you but asking in general, although you seem to be fine with it, sadly. I'm not, not even a bit. It's based on stereotypes and lies, by the way. Men have been socialized to act that way, they're not any lustier than women, really. I stare at hot people (I'm a woman). Some women are very visual, some men aren't. Religion built up these gender lies. Our society is still poisoned by this.

"they get a sin when they do" according to that religion, NOT a fact.

Asking in general, is it OK for women to "get sins" when they objectify men (or other women)? I suppose Islam assumes women don't. What a laugh! How sad. And this burden is on the women to protect men from this sinning. Wrong.

And I will always question people's religions every day.

ETA: I was also "asking" as a thought-exercise thing. We humans should think deeply about everything. Ponder and question WHY.

Hate speech right here. please educate yourself before posting anything that you dont know about. men and women in Islam have different awrah (body part they have to cover from opposite sex that are not related to them) Men also need to cover their entire belly button up to knee even to another men. if you think hijab is only for Islam then you're wrong. even virgin mary wore it.

Certainly no hate speech.

I didn't know women could wear crop tops with low-rise jeans in Islam, I guess that's something. Or must they cover that too? Cover as much as men and then some?

This sounds ancient to me, and almost trying to make men and women seem like aliens to each other, not one human race.

I don't care what Mary wore, if she existed, I don't care about her or her book. Her story isn't exactly feminist, anyway, so I don't see a defense there. I'm not pro-Christian or any theism.

Have you met any Muslims? Genuine question.

I have. Many of them in fact. I work with them, I live among them. Yes, some Muslims wear crop tops and short shorts, bikinis, and other such "revealing" clothing, especially in the summer. Some of them have been in plays that the school does that involves things like uhhhh woohoo to put it mildly. It's all very risque stuff.

Like any religion, there are some that ascribe to a strict adherence of the Quran, and others that are more lenient when it comes to things like clothing.

"simmerLella;c-17229219" wrote:

"izecson;c-17229107" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228908" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I wasn't asking you but asking in general, although you seem to be fine with it, sadly. I'm not, not even a bit. It's based on stereotypes and lies, by the way. Men have been socialized to act that way, they're not any lustier than women, really. I stare at hot people (I'm a woman). Some women are very visual, some men aren't. Religion built up these gender lies. Our society is still poisoned by this.

"they get a sin when they do" according to that religion, NOT a fact.

Asking in general, is it OK for women to "get sins" when they objectify men (or other women)? I suppose Islam assumes women don't. What a laugh! How sad. And this burden is on the women to protect men from this sinning. Wrong.

And I will always question people's religions every day.

ETA: I was also "asking" as a thought-exercise thing. We humans should think deeply about everything. Ponder and question WHY.

Hate speech right here. please educate yourself before posting anything that you dont know about. men and women in Islam have different awrah (body part they have to cover from opposite sex that are not related to them) Men also need to cover their entire belly button up to knee even to another men. if you think hijab is only for Islam then you're wrong. even virgin mary wore it.

Certainly no hate speech.

I didn't know women could wear crop tops with low-rise jeans in Islam, I guess that's something. Or must they cover that too? Cover as much as men and then some?

This sounds ancient to me, and almost trying to make men and women seem like aliens to each other, not one human race.

I don't care what Mary wore, if she existed, I don't care about her or her book. Her story isn't exactly feminist, anyway, so I don't see a defense there. I'm not pro-Christian or any theism.

No, Muslim women cannot wear crop tops to show their belly. I mean technically, they can, but it is a sin. So if they want to get a sin, they can wear that. LOL.

And yes, it's a bit ancient but there's also a lot of modern Muslims nowadays who don't follow that such as myself. I don't wear the hijab but I do try to be conservative else where, I won't wear a crop top. :sweat_smile:

And are you quoting yourself as a feminist? Cuz if you are, you need to stop. Cuz I'm also consider myself a feminist (more for equality) and my head hurts reading what you have to say.

"PlayerSinger2010;c-17229228" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17229219" wrote:

"izecson;c-17229107" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228908" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I wasn't asking you but asking in general, although you seem to be fine with it, sadly. I'm not, not even a bit. It's based on stereotypes and lies, by the way. Men have been socialized to act that way, they're not any lustier than women, really. I stare at hot people (I'm a woman). Some women are very visual, some men aren't. Religion built up these gender lies. Our society is still poisoned by this.

"they get a sin when they do" according to that religion, NOT a fact.

Asking in general, is it OK for women to "get sins" when they objectify men (or other women)? I suppose Islam assumes women don't. What a laugh! How sad. And this burden is on the women to protect men from this sinning. Wrong.

And I will always question people's religions every day.

ETA: I was also "asking" as a thought-exercise thing. We humans should think deeply about everything. Ponder and question WHY.

Hate speech right here. please educate yourself before posting anything that you dont know about. men and women in Islam have different awrah (body part they have to cover from opposite sex that are not related to them) Men also need to cover their entire belly button up to knee even to another men. if you think hijab is only for Islam then you're wrong. even virgin mary wore it.

Certainly no hate speech.

I didn't know women could wear crop tops with low-rise jeans in Islam, I guess that's something. Or must they cover that too? Cover as much as men and then some?

This sounds ancient to me, and almost trying to make men and women seem like aliens to each other, not one human race.

I don't care what Mary wore, if she existed, I don't care about her or her book. Her story isn't exactly feminist, anyway, so I don't see a defense there. I'm not pro-Christian or any theism.

Have you met any Muslims? Genuine question.

I have. Many of them in fact. I work with them, I live among them. Yes, some Muslims wear crop tops and short shorts, bikinis, and other such "revealing" clothing, especially in the summer. Some of them have been in plays that the school does that involves things like uhhhh woohoo to put it mildly. It's all very risque stuff.

Like any religion, there are some that ascribe to a strict adherence of the Quran, and others that are more lenient when it comes to things like clothing.

I think so. I don't really talk to people. "No peopling allowed." I read instead.

And I meant to say by suggestion of the Islamic teaching, are women not told to cover up more than men? For those who follow the more conservative ways, do they wear the belly tops? That is actually what I meant.

"Like any religion" ... don't assume I respect other religions. But yes, I was asking about the somewhat more strict adherence, at least ones that would make men cover their navels and knees.

"DeKay;c-17229233" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17229219" wrote:

"izecson;c-17229107" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228908" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I wasn't asking you but asking in general, although you seem to be fine with it, sadly. I'm not, not even a bit. It's based on stereotypes and lies, by the way. Men have been socialized to act that way, they're not any lustier than women, really. I stare at hot people (I'm a woman). Some women are very visual, some men aren't. Religion built up these gender lies. Our society is still poisoned by this.

"they get a sin when they do" according to that religion, NOT a fact.

Asking in general, is it OK for women to "get sins" when they objectify men (or other women)? I suppose Islam assumes women don't. What a laugh! How sad. And this burden is on the women to protect men from this sinning. Wrong.

And I will always question people's religions every day.

ETA: I was also "asking" as a thought-exercise thing. We humans should think deeply about everything. Ponder and question WHY.

Hate speech right here. please educate yourself before posting anything that you dont know about. men and women in Islam have different awrah (body part they have to cover from opposite sex that are not related to them) Men also need to cover their entire belly button up to knee even to another men. if you think hijab is only for Islam then you're wrong. even virgin mary wore it.

Certainly no hate speech.

I didn't know women could wear crop tops with low-rise jeans in Islam, I guess that's something. Or must they cover that too? Cover as much as men and then some?

This sounds ancient to me, and almost trying to make men and women seem like aliens to each other, not one human race.

I don't care what Mary wore, if she existed, I don't care about her or her book. Her story isn't exactly feminist, anyway, so I don't see a defense there. I'm not pro-Christian or any theism.

No, Muslim women cannot wear crop tops to show their belly. I mean technically, they can, but it is a sin. So if they want to get a sin, they can wear that. LOL.

And yes, it's a bit ancient but there's also a lot of modern Muslims nowadays who don't follow that such as myself. I don't wear the hijab but I do try to be conservative else where, I won't wear a crop top. :sweat_smile:

And are you quoting yourself as a feminist? Cuz if you are, you need to stop. Cuz I'm also consider myself a feminist (more for equality) and my head hurts reading what you have to say.

So what was the point of bringing up that men have to cover stuff? Don't they have to cover less? So it is a moot point?

I wasn't quoting myself as anything there, there I was referring to the topic. However, I won't "stop:" I am a raging feminist, always have been, always will be through changing times. I am also for equality, not LESS for equality, I don't know if that's what you referred to. We can call ourselves feminists and still disagree on points. We come from very different lives with different teachings and views, it's normal to not see things the same way. It's offensive to tell someone to "stop." Perhaps you misunderstand what I type because I can't see the fuzz.

For the record, as a reminder, I've been saying that men and women should wear the hijab equally. Before then I'm sometimes uncomfortable with it and I don't want to see ONLY female SIMS wear it, that hurts. I don't like the implications I'm reminded of by it. Our society is poisoned by the world's past, we can't unsee things. We're all products of our upbringing, of the Hollywood/TV of our youth (if we have such things - In America it's been in abundance, very psychologically imposing), of the advertising we've had blasted at us our whole lives, society telling us what we must and can't be ... our choices aren't always really ours. Some people don't even believe in free will (that it truly exists for us).

"simmerLella;c-17229255" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17229233" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17229219" wrote:

"izecson;c-17229107" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228908" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I wasn't asking you but asking in general, although you seem to be fine with it, sadly. I'm not, not even a bit. It's based on stereotypes and lies, by the way. Men have been socialized to act that way, they're not any lustier than women, really. I stare at hot people (I'm a woman). Some women are very visual, some men aren't. Religion built up these gender lies. Our society is still poisoned by this.

"they get a sin when they do" according to that religion, NOT a fact.

Asking in general, is it OK for women to "get sins" when they objectify men (or other women)? I suppose Islam assumes women don't. What a laugh! How sad. And this burden is on the women to protect men from this sinning. Wrong.

And I will always question people's religions every day.

ETA: I was also "asking" as a thought-exercise thing. We humans should think deeply about everything. Ponder and question WHY.

Hate speech right here. please educate yourself before posting anything that you dont know about. men and women in Islam have different awrah (body part they have to cover from opposite sex that are not related to them) Men also need to cover their entire belly button up to knee even to another men. if you think hijab is only for Islam then you're wrong. even virgin mary wore it.

Certainly no hate speech.

I didn't know women could wear crop tops with low-rise jeans in Islam, I guess that's something. Or must they cover that too? Cover as much as men and then some?

This sounds ancient to me, and almost trying to make men and women seem like aliens to each other, not one human race.

I don't care what Mary wore, if she existed, I don't care about her or her book. Her story isn't exactly feminist, anyway, so I don't see a defense there. I'm not pro-Christian or any theism.

No, Muslim women cannot wear crop tops to show their belly. I mean technically, they can, but it is a sin. So if they want to get a sin, they can wear that. LOL.

And yes, it's a bit ancient but there's also a lot of modern Muslims nowadays who don't follow that such as myself. I don't wear the hijab but I do try to be conservative else where, I won't wear a crop top. :sweat_smile:

And are you quoting yourself as a feminist? Cuz if you are, you need to stop. Cuz I'm also consider myself a feminist (more for equality) and my head hurts reading what you have to say.

So what was the point of bringing up that men have to cover stuff? Don't they have to cover less? So it is a moot point?

I wasn't quoting myself as anything there, there I was referring to the topic. However, I won't "stop:" I am a raging feminist, always have been, always will be through changing times. I am also for equality, not LESS for equality, I don't know if that's what you referred to. We can call ourselves feminists and still disagree on points. We come from very different lives with different teachings and views, it's normal to not see things the same way. It's offensive to tell someone to "stop." Perhaps you misunderstand what I type because I can't see the fuzz.

For the record, as a reminder, I've been saying that men and women should wear the hijab equally. Before then I'm sometimes uncomfortable with it and I don't want to see ONLY female SIMS wear it, that hurts. I don't like the implications I'm reminded of by it. Our society is poisoned by the world's past, we can't unsee things. We're all products of our upbringing, of the Hollywood/TV of our youth (if we have such things - In America it's been in abundance, very psychologically imposing), of the advertising we've had blasted at us our whole lives, society telling us what we must and can't be ... our choices aren't always really ours. Some people don't even believe in free will (that it truly exists for us).

Weren't you the one who asked me why men don't need to cover themselves? I've already explained myself and I don't want to explain again. And if you're gonna ask me why there is no set rule that Muslim men don't need to wear a hijab to cover themselves, I suggest you visit a mosque or a Muslim education center and talk to an Ustaz. Cuz I don't think I have the "credentials" to talk about these things either cuz I'm not highly religious. :grimace: I merely know the basic stuff and sometimes I like to question some stuff to my mom too and she gets mad about it and gives a whole lecture on the religion. LOL.

@DeKay Yes. Well, OK, but it was also a general question and such. (And yes, trying to make a point AKA "arguing," shock shock.)

I'll probably Google some books or something.

Because some people don't want the sims to be a choice about these things.

I think it’s disgraceful to the gaming community as a whole that all this fan base wants is more DLC to pay for. We got this for free. As much as I critique The Sims 4 for what it is, it’s ridiculous with what some of you complain about.

This is why we can’t have nice things for The Sims 4.

"DeKay;c-17229264" wrote:
Weren't you the one who asked me why men don't need to cover themselves? I've already explained myself and I don't want to explain again. And if you're gonna ask me why there is no set rule that Muslim men don't need to wear a hijab to cover themselves, I suggest you visit a mosque or a Muslim education center and talk to an Ustaz. Cuz I don't think I have the "credentials" to talk about these things either cuz I'm not highly religious. :grimace: I merely know the basic stuff and sometimes I like to question some stuff to my mom too and she gets mad about it and gives a whole lecture on the religion. LOL.

This is why people are getting confused... You said that asking why men don't wear hijab needs to be asked to someone else (besides you)- because it's religious. I hope this is making more sense as to why people are saying they don't want hijab (because it is a religious item) in their game... You are actually saying it is religious (saying one needs credentials to discuss it, and that you can't because you're not highly religious).

This next part is not directed at you DeKay, it is to address others...

Again (for others) what hijab, or any other thing, means to one person is not (necessarily) what it means to another. And, just because someone does not want it (or other things) in their game ... it does not make them racist (or ___phobic). People not wanting (whatever thing) in their game have reasons (some of which you may not want to hear, or some people may be ignorant to, or some people may be thoughtless about, or .....). There are even some people screaming "inclusivity and tolerance", but those (some) people sure don't have any when it comes to actually listening (and respecting) why another person doesn't want ____ in their game (and many of those people get mocked when they try to explain that they had a serious traumatic experience/s with ____).

An example, less contentious, though sometimes heated with rudeness and name calling.... I have tattoos. I have had numerous ignorant comments about them (and people assume way too much about me, based on them). I also (as an individual) can understand that seeing someone who is covered in tattoos may cause trauma on some other folks (who have had only experienced tattooed people = gangs, or other things- like drugs). I don't want those people (who are afraid) to be forced to be around me... Why would I want my presence to create trauma? Though... It could be said (by some people) that those (who are afraid) should "get over it". I would say that those people are rude, thoughtless, and not empathetic. Am I like those gang folks? No. Do I think my tattoos should be accepted? No.. Though I wish they didn't cause fear in someone else- but forcing that on someone (who is deeply afraid) is not at all what I want. I understand fear (and yes, it can be what some people think is irrational- mainly people who don't talk to, or understand, the trauma of another).

The same goes for a situation in which my very best friend (who was more akin to a brother that I always wanted) got a new girlfriend and she didn't want him around me - because she had trust issues. It was really difficult for me to "lose" that best friend (he was the only 'safe' male in my life, sadly)... But I respected that his gf came from the trauma of having been cheated on, and I wanted her to heal- as did he (how amazing is he, in my eyes, even more so because he loved that woman so much that he respected her request, and never made fun of her for it!). Neither of us blamed her for her trauma, nor did we add to her pain by dismissing her and calling her jealous... We moved to a different space in our lives (and yes, it was sad, but worth it- he married her, and then after 15 years she was comfortable enough to trust him). She healed- because we gave her that space (respected her trauma).

Anyway.... Force is not the way to create anything good. But I think if EA wants to do this 'representing life' (or controlling your own world) then they maybe need to realize what an enormous task that is... And should actually ask themselves if it really is (truly) possible, and how, exactly, they can accomplish such a task... Personally, I think having the ability to turn off things (like violence, certain clothing, certain behaviours, ect., is a start).