For those arguing why the Hijab & whatnot are not in a seperate pack:

"SimChi;c-17228914" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:
The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

Instead of dealing with the men who oversexualize and abuse women, why is it that a woman is 'forced' to hide herself - instead of teaching men to be respectful- and dealing with those men- who are the actual issue? It's not a woman's fault that (those) men can't control themselves. It is the inadequacies (of those men) in regards to conduct and respect.

Personally, I prefer body privacy, and I loathe that it is (at times) because of the lack of ability in some people to control themselves, and that those people do not see a person (beyond their exterior- be it clothing, or body type, or other such things). I also loathe that there are women who are forced to wear certain sexual clothing (and they are manipulated into seeing that as their worth).

Again, I don't make the rules. But as you can see, it's just almost impossible to teach some men to be respectful towards women sometimes even in different cultures or religions. :D

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I will question the religion if it impedes on women’s rights. If men cannot control themselves when looking at a woman that is THEIR PROBLEM! The onus should not be on the woman it should be on the man. I do not want the hijab in a free update in the base game because I fundamentally disagree with what it represents.

If EA wants to be inclusive stick it in a paid dlc pack called religion and call it a day. These guys just want free press.

"Penelope;c-17228922" wrote:

"MadameLee;c-17228583" wrote:

Yeah and we have to remember one time until 70s Christan women had to cover their heads- hence why we see hats in stuff like Pollyanna (Hailey Mills version) and Anne of Green Gables

This is WAY wrong. Very, very wrong. Hats in previous decades were just fashion, nothing else.

Agreed. EVERYONE wore hats back in the day. If you went outside, you wore a hat. Mostly as a practically, No matter your belief system. Head coverings of a religious nature are a completely different thing.

"Logisitcs;c-17228930" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I will question the religion if it impedes on women’s rights. If men cannot control themselves when looking at a woman that is THEIR PROBLEM! The onus should not be on the woman it should be on the man. I do not want the hijab in a free update in the base game because I fundamentally disagree with what it represents.

If EA wants to be inclusive stick it in a paid dlc pack called religion and call it a day. These guys just want free press.

I think it's fine if you disagree with my religion, but you don't have to question it. It's not very nice and it's quite rude actually. :\

"Logisitcs;c-17228930" wrote:


If EA wants to be inclusive stick it in a paid dlc pack called religion and call it a day. These guys just want free press.

A religions of the world stuff pack might have been a smarter idea.

"Logisitcs;c-17228930" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228895" wrote:

"simmerLella;c-17228872" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228799" wrote:

"SimChi;c-17228791" wrote:

"DeKay;c-17228765" wrote:
??? Get back at them. LET'S GO.

Uhmm... What's with the violence? I think people have concerns, which this doesn't help with... Especially since you said you are a Muslim.

It would be nice to hear what the Muslim people in the forums (simmers) feel that the Hijab is, for them, personally. And, to hear from Muslim people if this actually is a religious item (and if men wear it- or why not, if they don't?).

There are many people who speak for others, and it is not always accurate... But, we have so many issues that really ought to be talked about. Those who said they don't support having something (clothing/religious item?) which is seen as an oppression of women- Do you support cheating spouses in your game (because lolz?), or do you support overtly sexualized clothing on women (there are some women who have experienced the oppression of that over-sexualization and disrespect).

LOL, I'm not being violent. It's just an emoji. ? ? I'm not gonna kill you all. Calm down. Sorry if it offended you. ?

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not, but I said I don't see the hijab as a religious clothing. Now, where I come from, we are not being oppressed to wear hijabs. It's actually a choice. ? But I cannot speak for other countries that are more strict.

Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves.

"Oh and also men don't wear hijabs. Hijabs are worn by women to "cover" themselves to "conserve" themselves."

That's the problem. Why should women conserve themselves? Why shouldn't men conserve themselves? This is the pointing to the main problem.

That's why I want to flip it.

Why are you asking me this? I'm not God or the Prophet. Don't question people's religion. The only thing I know is that they do that cuz sometimes men tend to oversexualize women or stare at them (and they get a sin when they do), and that's why they make that rule. ?‍♀️

I will question the religion if it impedes on women’s rights. If men cannot control themselves when looking at a woman that is THEIR PROBLEM! The onus should not be on the woman it should be on the man. I do not want the hijab in a free update in the base game because I fundamentally disagree with what it represents.

If EA wants to be inclusive stick it in a paid dlc pack called religion and call it a day. These guys just want free press.

And you guys are giving it to them by making a big stink about the content, lol.

Seriously, had this just been added quietly to the game without anyone freaking out, no one would be talking about it. But now you know it's going to be all over Sim news articles and Game Changer videos and everyone's going to be talking it up because "controversy!"

Islam is okay

All other religions are plum.

That's basically what EA is saying.

Whatever

"Zachsims;c-17228962" wrote:
Islam is okay

All other religions are plum.

That's basically what EA is saying.

Whatever

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To be honest, rather than separating the stuff into a pack I would prefer it so that ye made it that we could turn off any item we don't want and stop it from showing up. It takes me forever to find my favourite items scrolling through all the other stuff sometimes because I always forget what pack everything's from. and there's so many things from other packs or the base game that I would never ever ever use that I would like to just turn off completely and make it easier to find the stuff I would use. Have it so that it'll show up if I download a SIM from the gallery wearing it, but it just doesn't show in my Cas items and random townies wouldn't generate wearing the items that you turn off either.

"MadameLee;c-17228583" wrote:

"Prink34320V2;c-17228580" wrote:

"Logisitcs;c-17228499" wrote:
I’m stunned by 2 things:

1.) People seem to think a HIJAB is cultural wear woman wear in the Middle East and elsewhere. No. It is not. It is religious. And a symbol of oppression. Women are jailed for refusing to wear hijabs in Iran.

2.) That the mods here are closing threads because they’re discussing religion... WHEN THE DEVS HAVE INTRODUCED A RELIGIOUS SYMBOL IN THE GAME!!!!

Yes, the Hijab is religious wear, but it is not solely that anymore. Many wear their Hijab, not just for religion anymore. A girl from my university wore a Hijab despite not following any religion, she did it because it created a special relationship with her family where only they could see her entirely. Of course, this does not mean her idealization of the Hijab is not sprouted from the oppression of women in those countries, but is not the only reason anymore.

Yeah and we have to remember one time until 70s Christan women had to cover their heads- hence why we see hats in stuff like Pollyanna (Hailey Mills version) and Anne of Green Gables

Huh? Where do you get this stuff?