My thought on the Goth refresh.

I was initially very excited for the promised overhaul of our favourite Sims. Team told us they are working on overal overhaul of Sims and lore. I even had higher hopes when they confirmes they worked together with community members. But with today's first overhaul of Goths, I just feel disappointed and really not excited for future.

This update honestly just doesn't sit right with me. All these months we have waited for something lot of our Simmers can do in one day? Did resources really went into concept arts? How long the team actually spent on Goths? And the outcome of really simple changes is just horrible. No respect to our favourite family. A few points:

-Skintones for Bella and Cassandra aren't still right ones. They always had more warm tones, but we ended up with ashy and cool skintones.

-I don't mind changes on Alexander, but please, his clothes and adult look needed more work.

-Bella is YA with teenage daughter, yet her face indicates she is the same age as Mortimer. And her iconic red dress is gone

-No clothes for warm and cold weather?

These are just few points, lot of players could come with different.

But back to the whole overhaul. It was said we would get full overhaul and lore update. So basically, lot of us expected updated relationship, biography, ancestors and family tree (seriously, Goths always had the most rich family tree, its really disapointing we are missing it), careers and skills, traits, sentiments, like and dislikes, and most importantly, that promised lore. Like I have no idea whag happened and why we ended up just with cosmetic changes (and why waited so long for them), and it would be best to tell us if we can even expect these things. I'm really mad about the lore part. Waiting so long, I kinda expected the update to be more huge and with like lore system or something

I sincerely hope The Sims Team will read the feedback from players, fix Goths and actually do the promised stuff.

I haven't updated yet, but this is disappointing.  Wasn't adding weather outfits part of the reason they did the overhaul in the first place?

@Felicat82 @PatrickClSim3Low 

Please notice that you must start a new game after updating to see the changes to the Goth family you will not see it in any saves created prior to the update. They now have cold and warm outfits and Bella does have the Red dress.

1. You will never satisfy all User. Old player have different skin tone in mind. I think the skin tones now are just fine (but I grow up with sims1 goth!)
2.  I don’t think the creator of this version checked how alexander looks if he ages up
3. I think this is just the fault of the adult skin from vanilla. I really think the adult skin are too old and have to many wrinkles.
4. They have both clothes in warm and cold weather? I have the same clothes for them as all other youtuber which shows the new look.

It was never mentioned that we get a whole overhaul, it was only mentioned that they will make sure we get the appearance back from older games. Sometimes I think people don’t know how much effort it would be to create a whole family tree and get sure that this tree doesn’t break if people delete/released the ghost from it. Sure, you can wish for all this but please, think a little realistic and what on effort this would be for a family, which only work on new save.

Generally, I love the new goths and they live now with the old *renamed* goths in my old save game. I think the team did a good job and I am looking forward for the Caliente family.

Honestly, I’m not getting that impression at all. Her skin is just a cooler/neutral shade than the others, it doesn’t look like bronzer that gives too much warmth. It’s ok to not like it, but I wouldn’t say that it’s not natural, there’s plenty of people who really have cooler skin tones.

@PatrickClSim3Low  and @Felicat82 , they did include the Hot and Cold Weather outfits, so @jpkarlsen is correct! 

@PatrickClSim3Low , you stated that with new technologies, a bigger team, and bigger budget, they should have been able to do better on the issues that you don't feel they did a good job on.  While we do have better technology today, we don't know if there is a bigger budget or larger team.  🤷‍♀️

Also, Bella does have a red dress, but I think I agree with @PatrickClSim3Low  in that the red dress is not the iconic shape from the Sims 1 and Sims 2.  Her party dress has the right shape! 

Bella's Everyday dress:

Bella's Party dress: 

Alexander looks great as a kid, but looks weird if you age him up.😬  The YouTuber Pixelade has a video on it.  

The rest of them look good, though I think Bellas' mouth is a little bit wide, and her hair is too wavy as compared to the Sims 2 Bella, and especially the Sims 1 Bella. But that isn't too big of a deal. 

Cassandra finally has the proper Sims 2 skintone! 😀 She looks great! (Though she now looks like my sister-in-law when she was a teen! 😄 ) 

Sadly, they did not include the Likes and Dislikes.😢  This would have been easy to click off a few things.  They all would love the same colors of black, red, gray, and white! 🤣

It is odd that Bella is a Young Adult, (and one at the beginning of that life stage, no less, so she is not old enough to have a teenage daughter.  I would have bought her being a young adult with a teenage daughter if they had put her near the end of that life stage! 

The main thing for me is that even though I think they did a good job, it is very odd seeing different Goths in the Sims4.  They never overhauled any Sims from any of the other versions of the Sims, so it seems odd.  But that is just me.  I would have had a better time dealing with the changes had they come with a new version of the game.  I guess I will just have to call these the Sims 4.5 Goths! 😅

I felt that Mortimer would wear a hat in cold weather, so I gave him this one:

@daikoyu , you are right in that there is no way to please everybody! 😅  I hope they do as good of a job on the Calientes because  I felt that Dina doesn't look anything like her Sims 2 version! 😥

@PatrickClSim3Low , if that is the case, then fair enough! 😎  However, there is the chance that while the

 developers have more resources, it could also be the case that their bosses tell them how to allocate those resources, which could explain why certain aspects of the game get more attention than the others, even if it is something that the players or even the developers would like to give more attention to. 

As for family trees, the Sims 4 family trees have always been glitchy, and not as comprehensive as the ones in TS2 and TS3. This might be why they didn't redo the Goth family tree, but if that is the case then they should have never mentioned that they were going to go more detail into the Goth's lore (unless all that lore was confined to the town of Willow Creek) . As a fan of lore and sprawling family trees in TS2 and TS3, I do agree that this was a misstep, unless that is to come a little bit later. 🤷‍♀️🤞

@TeoTeoTe0 I agree with you.  I like the final result of the remake much better than the concept art, and I also don't understand why they had to do concept art in the first place, when they could just give us a "rough draft" in CAS. 🤔

My only guess is that maybe they felt that if they gave us a preliminary look in CAS that players might have thought those designs were set in stone and might even have started looking for the revamped family either in the game or on the gallery back when the redo was first announced! 😅