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JSmithh013
3 years ago
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Racial slur in werewolves pack

I got the werewolves pack and was excited to play. My werewolf was really angry, I clicked on the ground and my options were go here “savagely” or mark territory. As an Indigenous person I was extrem...
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  • EA_Cade's avatar
    EA_Cade
    3 years ago

    Hi @JSmithh013,

    While I can appreciate that your aim is to make The Sims a better and more inclusive place, the word you're taking umbrage with has been part of the English lexicon since the 1200's meaning undomesticated or not under human control and has no direct connection with indigenous peoples across any part of the world.

    Nevertheless, I will forward your feedback to The Sims team for further investigation.

    Update: Thank you for flagging this issue to us @JSmithh013. The Sims team are looking into updating this verbiage in a future update.

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EA_Cade
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3 years ago

Hi @JSmithh013,

While I can appreciate that your aim is to make The Sims a better and more inclusive place, the word you're taking umbrage with has been part of the English lexicon since the 1200's meaning undomesticated or not under human control and has no direct connection with indigenous peoples across any part of the world.

Nevertheless, I will forward your feedback to The Sims team for further investigation.

Update: Thank you for flagging this issue to us @JSmithh013. The Sims team are looking into updating this verbiage in a future update.

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xochiquetzl_xkvn
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago

Hi, @EA_Cade!

Let me say that I absolutely believe that there was no intent to be offensive or racist! Unfortunately, one of the privileges in white privilege is the privilege to not think about racism. Trust me, people of color would love to stop thinking about racism for a while! But because of this, non-POCs can sometimes unintentionally offend POCs.

Of all the definitions given for "savage" here, many people have left out one that I got from Merriam-Webster.com:

savage

noun
plural savages

Definition of savage (Entry 2 of 3)

1 old-fashioned + offensive : a person belonging to a primitive society
2 : a brutal person
3 : a rude or unmannerly person
 
(Yes, the game used "savagely," the adverb, rather than the noun, but in English adverbs are basically -ly slapped onto a word and used to modify verbs, so "go here savagely" means "go here in a savage way" or "go here like a savage." It's disingenuous to pretend they're not related words. Also, the pack has the action on the toilet, "take a savage poo.")
 
The fact that the pack leans heavily on Twilight--Northwest US-looking logging town, werewolf/vampire war, etc.--doesn't help in that even though the Team thankfully avoided the horrible "all werewolves are Native American" racist trope, well, er, using the terms "savage" and "savagely" for werewolves in a pack that leans heavily on Twilight... er, it just doesn't help. Context matters.
 
Again, I genuinely believe that no one on the Sims team intended to offend anyone! but my general position is to listen to what the PoC has to say because they're unwillingly knowledgeable on the topic. ☹️ In short, even though I didn't even notice myself until @JSmithh013 pointed it out (see above re: privilege) I absolutely see it now, and therefore have to stand with them and point to definition #1 from Merriam-Webster.
 
Thank you for passing this feedback along to the team.
  • jpkarlsen's avatar
    jpkarlsen
    Hero (Retired)
    3 years ago

    @xochiquetzl_xkvn 

    It is true that it says savage poo on the toilet but I think you will agree that this does not reference a person so we must instead look at the definition for using it as a verb,

    Definition of savage (Entry 3 of 3)

    transitive verb

    : to attack or treat brutally
     
    "Attacking" the toilet in the described manner can not be described as racist in any way.
    • xochiquetzl_xkvn's avatar
      xochiquetzl_xkvn
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago

      @jpkarlsen 

      I’ll put it this way.

      There’s “The animal ran here savagely,” and then there’s “We’ve based a lot of our werewolf pack visuals and lore on Twilight, but instead of having all our werewolves be explicitly Native American we’ll just tag all werewolf actions as being ‘savage’ or being done ‘savagely.’” One is clearly not a reference to Native Americans and the other….

       Not intentionally, of course, but the tropes are hungry. 

      • jpkarlsen's avatar
        jpkarlsen
        Hero (Retired)
        3 years ago

        @xochiquetzl_xkvn 

        Could you please point me to where you saw that announcement from EA  especially the part about werewolves being Native Americans. I haven't seen such an announcement.

  • JSmithh013's avatar
    JSmithh013
    3 years ago

    Boozhoo (Hello) @xochiquetzl_xkvn 

      I want to say Miigwech (thank you) for trying to understand the perspective from an Indigenous person of the Americas. I did not know about the toilet action because I did not play long enough to check out the whole pack.

     

    I did try to talk about the adverb of it and how it’s still harmful to Indigenous peoples. As well the relevance the Declaration of Independence has with EA headquarters being in USA.


    Some words that could be used instead of one’s that are triggering for Indigenous peoples are ruthlessly, viciously, brutally or destructively.

     

    Again… 

     

    HAPPY INDIGENOUS PEOPLES HISTORY MONTH! 🧡

    • xochiquetzl_xkvn's avatar
      xochiquetzl_xkvn
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago

      @JSmithh013 

      Oh, thank you! of course! Thank you for taking the time to speak up and educate us. I genuinely appreciate it.

      There was some discussion in the Jewish and Muslim representation thread where someone asked how it was possible that a US-centric game produced in the US had no Native American/First Nation representation, and I thought of that comment during the conversation here.

      I sincerely hope that the Team considers using a different, less loaded word--one without such an ugly role in US History.

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