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Re: Adding height to The Sims 4 or maybe it will be a Sims 5 edition

@SimmeringPassion @PenguinFoop The mod I use is the Height Slider by GODJUL1. This mod links the foot slider in CAS to directly change the height of a Sim, i.e. bigger feet means taller Sims, smaller feet means shorter Sims. I can't post a link in this forum the this mod can be found at the Mod the Sims website. The file-size isn't very large (2.78 kb) and using it does not seem to slow my game down at all & and my FPS rate is pretty much the same when I use this mod as in test saves where I don't. I like for the Sims in my game to come in all different shapes, sizes, and colors, and this mod definitely does affect every Sim in my game, including NPCs, randomly-generated townies, everyone except for pets.

I am no expert at all when it comes to coding, but much of the height-related compensation for tall Sims interacting with shorter Sims already seems to be either in the base game or in this mod itself. I'll use a modded version of the base game Goth family to provide some examples of what I am referring to:

In this example I have made Mortimer taller, not like freakishly tall but taller than average, while I have made Bella shorter than average by about the same amount (using the MC CAS module of MCCC to assign a number value to a foot size with a range of +100 to -100 and with 0 being the default size of an un-modded Sim, I have made Mortimer a +20 and Bella a -15).

For most interactions the animations look pretty good and there is definitely seems to be some kind of compensation for their different heights going on here. When they hug you can see there is a clear height difference but the interaction looks fairly natural. When they hold hands their hands appear to meet rather than the taller Sim having his hands much higher than the shorter Sim (like they were playing patty-cake or something). You can also see that Bella is reaching up to massage Mortimer's shoulders rather than having her hands somewhere further down on his back.

The animations look very normal when either of them interact with items around the house. A short Sim (Bella) interacts with the stove to cook some grilled cheese (yum!) and a tall Sim (Mortimer) washes his hands in the sink to get ready to eat those tasty grilled cheese sandwiches.

For their daughter Cassandra I made her even shorter (her foot size is a -20 using MC CAS). Since her mother is still a young adult I wanted Cassandra to appear to be a young-ish teen like maybe 15 years old or so. There is a significant height difference between her and her father. In a vanilla no-mod game they would be the same size, yet she definitely appears to be tilting her head up and looking upward to his face when they chat. She gets her dad the old electric hand buzzer trick (I can't believe he fell for that one!) and their hands are at the same level. Dad forgives her and gives her a loving hug and the animation looks fairly natural. Cassandra also interacts just fine with items around the house.

So anyway, this mod isn't perfect. When a tall Sim kisses a short Sim their lips don't quite line up. Even then it's much closer than it would be without at least some height compensation going on and it's not all that noticeable unless you are looking close. I haven't created any extremely tall or short Sims but if I did I expect the animations would look less and less natural as the size difference gets greater. The other odd thing with this mod is their Sim avatar portraits in the lower left corner of the UI are a bit off for either very tall or very short Sims, though this doesn't really affect game-play at all. I expect if EA ever added this feature to the game that their version would be more polished; however, until they do mods like this is all we'll ever have.

P.S. Just word of warning, I have not yet updated my game for the Dec. 7th game patch so I am not certain if this mod is still compatible.

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  • PenguinFoop's avatar
    PenguinFoop
    5 years ago

    @RandomBuzziness That's very interesting!  perhaps it wouldn't be as difficult at I had figured.  I'm not sure how mods work but apparently they work well with the core coding otherwise they wouldn't work at all so maybe there is a hope for a height differential after all!!!!  Thanks for sharing this!  I hate to be wrong but when I am, it's always good when it's for the right reasons.  😃

    Edit:  Unfortunately, I'm on console so mods aren't an option for me or I'd definitely check it out!  I hope that they can implement it or use it at least as a starting point in their own version.

  • @PenguinFoop and @RandomBuzziness ,

    Thank you for the information you shared on this topic. It was very helpful! I didn't realize there's a chance that it would be that complicated to make a height slider that works 100%. We'll definitely keep hoping for it though because that MOD makes it seem more possible. 👍

  • PenguinFoop's avatar
    PenguinFoop
    5 years ago

    @000Unavailable wrote:

    @PenguinFoop and @RandomBuzziness ,

    Thank you for the information you shared on this topic. It was very helpful! I didn't realize there's a chance that it would be that complicated to make a height slider that works 100%. We'll definitely keep hoping for it though because that MOD makes it seem more possible. 👍


    Yeah no problem and as I stated I am by no means an expert.  And the Mod does seem very appealing so it does look possible.  Maybe they will implement it!!!  If so, I'll be so happy!

  • RandomBuzziness's avatar
    RandomBuzziness
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    @PenguinFoop I don't think you were wrong at all in your earlier post. You were simply pointing out that the coding would be very complicated and I am sure you are very much correct in this. I think we possibly just underestimated how much of that complex coding has already been put in the game.

    As for mods for Sims 4 on consoles I think it's still a possibility at some point in the future. Mods are available for games like Skyrim SE and Fallout 4 on XBox One and PS4 so it seems like it would technically be doable. All of the mods I am using for Skyrim on my XBox One were originally PC mods that were ported for use on consoles. A big difference is that those games are in their final versions and no are longer having any new content being added (and no more patch updates), whereas Sims 4 will still be getting new content for at least the near future. The biggest headache for me as a mod user (and I'm sure even doubly more so for mod creators) is constantly having to update mods for new Sims 4 content and new game patches. I'm not complaining here, it's my choice to use mods and my responsibility to keep them updated. I'm just saying this part makes it all much more complicated. Perhaps after EA is finished with Sims 4 and has moved on to something new (i.e. Sims 5?) then we could see mods become available for console players, and if so they will very possibly be console versions of mods that already exist for PC players.

    I don't work for EA and I don't have any inside information on any of this so yeah I'm just completely guessing on everything here :D

  • 000Unavailable's avatar
    000Unavailable
    5 years ago

    I must say, I'm starting to get the feeling that maybe it really is almost time for The Sims 5. It just kind of seems that way, but I could be wrong.

  • SimmeringPassio's avatar
    SimmeringPassio
    5 years ago
    @RandomBuzziness I appreciate this post of your showing your gameplay and in a way kind of nostalgic (Hopefully spelt that right because my auto correct seems to not want to tell me lol 😆) It reminds me of the sims 2 times with the height difference and sims 3 OMG I miss it so much!

    That was so informative and I definitely appreciate a grilled cheese sandwich 🥪 I could eat it forever, I also loved the story telling and good thing Mortimer washed his hands especially with everything going on now 🤪
  • SimmeringPassio's avatar
    SimmeringPassio
    5 years ago

    @000Unavailable@RandomBuzziness

    I know sims 4 has been out for years but I still love it so so much! I want the sims 5 but i still haven’t played all the packs yet! Haha 😆

    I feel like with the sims 5 it might revolve more about the players experience with mods and maybe visiting other players worlds and house in real time, it’s just a thought but a possible one in my head, I see it becoming a more mod compatible game which would be great because then it would allow players to have what they want a bit more that would appease everyone that little bit more!

    Message to all!

    I love what this chat have became! It’s magical how we have grown as a topic now!

  • PenguinFoop's avatar
    PenguinFoop
    5 years ago

    @SimmeringPassion wrote:
    @000Unavailable@RandomBuzziness

    I know sims 4 has been out in years but I still love it so so much! I want the sims 5 but i still haven’t played l the packs yet! Haha 😆

    I feel like with the sims 5 it might revolve more about the players experience with mods and maybe visiting other players worlds and house in real time, it’s just a thought but a possible one in my head, I see it becoming a more mod compatible game which would be great because then it would allow players to have what they want a bit more that would appease everyone that little bit more!

    Message to all!

    I love what this chat have became! It’s magical how we have grown as a topic now!

    I agree!  When I first bought TS4 I tried it, hated it and swore never to play it.  So months later, I gave it another try and in so many ways I suddenly love it!  There are of course things I miss about TS3 but all in all and overwhelmingly, I love TS4 and actually am dreading the idea of having to adjust to a new game.  

    Of course that doesn't mean TS4 is perfect but the beauty of TS4 is that it's so customizable.  AND the only game in my 50 years that I've actually ever bought an expansion for.  So yeah, not really feeling that it's time to move on to TS5 yet.  In fact, I'll probably not play 5 when it first comes out.  I love and support the teams that give us TS but just not even the slightest bit ready to move on from TS4.

    OH!  Unless TS5 gives us height sliders!!!!  Then I might buy it before any of you!  👿

    One thing I hope you're wrong about though is TS5 being Modcentric.  If that happens, it divides us all from each other again.  As a strictly console player, mods for Sims has always eluded my grasp so if that trend continues and TS5 does become more Modcentric, then consolers would once more not be able to share or download from pc users.  So the community that TS4 has finally brought completely together would once more be splintered.  

  • @PenguinFoop @000Unavailable 

    I remember when TS4 came out I had a hard time adjusting with the new graphics of it and mown i cant see the sims without the graphics it has now! I want to experience all TS4 has to offer and I love I it! 

    Idk where TS5 will head but any thoughts a good thought!

  • Shae1664's avatar
    Shae1664
    5 years ago

    It just makes me really sad...or upset, I don't know, frustrated maybe? That the entire reason for the sims 4 having teens the same height as adults was that it was easier, saved money, and was less time to do since they didn't have to animate interactions with the different height. Teens are and should be a unique life state with their own CAS assets, different clothes from adults at least, young adults and teens I agree with having similar styles, but think about a 16 year old wearing the same thing as a 50 year old, that's how I see my teens and adults.

    This was just a cheap, fast way for the sims team to please EA, which is upsetting, just like with leaving toddlers out for a while. I want unique teens again, with their own styles, own animations, and not the same height. They are a different life state, they should be treated like one, just like children, toddlers, and babies.

    A height slider to me, with no knowledge of how to code something like that, seems to be rather tricky, but maybe if they gave us a handful of different preset heights to use, that would be simpler? Like even if we were just given "short, average, tall" as height presets for each age. Could be an interesting idea, but I do see people complaining about not proper representation with those types of presets.

  • 000Unavailable's avatar
    000Unavailable
    5 years ago

    @SimmeringPassion and @PenguinFoop ,

    Yes, the graphics are so amazing in this game! I love how there's so much detail around every lot and it's not just empty land. Even if there are just a bunch of trees and lakes, it still makes it look so detailed. Even if it's not an open world where they can just go to one lot and another, it's still neat that you can see other Sims and pets walking around. Sometimes I want to go back to TS3 to give it more of a chance because I didn't play very much with that one, but comparing the way it looks to TS4 makes it very difficult for me to go back. Just the lighting itself is more amazing and the way the Sims actually act and look. So, I definitely understand what you mean. Sometimes I'm ready for TS5 and then there are times when I don't want TS4 to end, because I feel that a lot more could still be added, but if they do first add the height slider in TS5, then I think I'll have to let this one go ha ha. TS2 was also fun! I remember how exciting is was to first see the game in 3D animation and I do remember the bigger variety of heights between the Sims, which I miss as well. Even the original game was fun to me. Some of the activities and packs were a ton of fun. But comparing the graphics and the options you have...it'd be very hard to play now! Talk about being kind of spoiled, huh?

  • @Shae1664 ,

    I really do understand why you're frustrated....these Sims could be more different/unique. To be honest, I was very surprised that they ended up making teens the same height as young adults. Having different age groups in the future would be nice too, because they go straight into their 20's when they have their birthday and they were just in high school a day ago. Another thing is that if two Sims are a couple when they're both teenagers, if one of them ages up to young adult, they have to wait until they're both aged up to young adults to have any romantic interactions again because there's no age in between. Just a lot to think of to expand TS4 a little or to add them to TS5. I know the makers are very capable. Look at the difference in graphics between the original game and TS2. They could do so much and they would do an awesome job, I know it.

  • @Shae1664 I understand exactly what you mean! I remember when toddlers weren’t in the game at the beginning and same with pools! I went from thinking that sims 4 was going to be sick to just this is so much crappier than the previous one! Aren’t they meant to progress forward and not regress?!

    It’s all about the money now hence why th features that was once in one pack in the sims 3 are now split into loads of SP, GP & EP! I get that they want to maximise profits but when does it become more about the money and less about the players! It always seems to happen that way because the money becomes more and more, it’s insidious because they know for a fact that we are still going to buy the packs no matter what they do! It sucks really in my eyes!
  • SimmeringPassio's avatar
    SimmeringPassio
    5 years ago

    @000UnavailableIkr! I have went through everything you said! I remember I went back to the sims 3 and I played it for about 5 minutes and the battery quit because I couldn’t take the graphics anymore lol! I also miss the sims 3 the way they used to cuddle in bed! I always imagined how TS4 would do I would be more realistic but I was wrong! There’s no sleep time cuddling!

    A height slider would be also a must to buy the sims 5 though foreal