Are many sims youtubers overlook the fact the sims 4 is lacking?

"Stormkeep;c-18065515" wrote:
Trotting out your personal checklist to tally up your personal score board for the game just makes the point I already made, @Cinebar.

It doesn't matter if you could put 999 more things down, it would still be those specific things which you consider as having value for the games being measured. Someone else might not care about a single one of those things, and therefore they would not be part of that person's valuation in deciding if the game was 'lacking' or not.

It's okay to have opinions, you don't need to try to "prove" they are facts.

They're pretty...essential...to Sims functioning as a game. If you don't care about what was referenced, like lack of smart AI (huge!) then you just care about Sims 4 as a glorified movie-making tool, as someone said on Twitter.

"Stormkeep;c-18065515" wrote:
Trotting out your personal checklist to tally up your personal score board for the game just makes the point I already made, @Cinebar.

It doesn't matter if you could put 999 more things down, it would still be those specific things which you consider as having value for the games being measured. Someone else might not care about a single one of those things, and therefore they would not be part of that person's valuation in deciding if the game was 'lacking' or not.

It's okay to have opinions, you don't need to try to "prove" they are facts.

I agree with you that anything one sees as lacking is a personal opinion, but I'm curious, do you see any areas that the game is lacking in?

"simmerorigin;c-18065620" wrote:

"Stormkeep;c-18065515" wrote:
Trotting out your personal checklist to tally up your personal score board for the game just makes the point I already made, @Cinebar.

It doesn't matter if you could put 999 more things down, it would still be those specific things which you consider as having value for the games being measured. Someone else might not care about a single one of those things, and therefore they would not be part of that person's valuation in deciding if the game was 'lacking' or not.

It's okay to have opinions, you don't need to try to "prove" they are facts.

They're pretty...essential...to Sims functioning as a game. If you don't care about what was referenced, like lack of smart AI (huge!) then you just care about Sims 4 as a glorified movie-making tool, as someone said on Twitter.

I think that all depends on your play style. To me, TS2 was too restrictive. I didn’t want all of the “stuff” it made me do. I wanted to create and stage my own stories with characters that I envisioned. TS3 got closer to that. TS4 is somewhat better, even with some limitations. I value flexibility over organized, game controlled gameplay. So, is my play style less valid than yours? I don’t think so. And, there are a lot of us still enjoying the game. But, yeah. Let’s dump it because your preferences aren’t being met.

I cannot believe this is still being hashed out, oy! It’s been 7+ years now. TS4 is what TS4 is and yes the base game may have been lackluster and devoid of pools and toddlers but man alive things have changed the game is much bigger now and @Stormkeep is right. Your idea of “lacking” is likely very different from someone else’s. What was important to you in past iterations may not hold value to someone else. For instance I don’t give a hoot about:

• Dragons
  
• Werewolves
  
• Cars
  
• Vibrating heart shaped beds
  
• Heart shaped hot tubs
  
• Body hair
  

And many other things people are forever wringing their hands over on here. I don’t find the game lacking for those things at all, and as far as “deep meaningful gameplay” goes. What in the world is anyone even talking about? I have TS3 and I play it on occasion and it’s click, click, click, click, sim performs action, sim speaks gibberish, sim nods and smiles, or grimaces and yells, and if I am not click, click, clicking sim stands about or wanders off to some random thing that may or may not get them killed. Between the 2 iterations I see no discernible difference in “emotional depth” between the pixelated little beasts at all. I like that my UI isn’t cluttered up with astrological star signs that mean nothing to me. Mary Sue wasn’t born under a sign she was built in CAS. She has a personality, the one I imagine for her, no more no less. It’s a digitized doll house, and 90% of the story takes place in your imagination and the reason past iterations carried you so far away is because you were younger then and more capable of suspending reality and living in your imagination for hours and hours on end. Some of us outgrow that, some don’t. If past iterations still capture your imagination likely because of deep sentimental attachment then play them, love them and enjoy them and stop forever throwing cold water on the enjoyment other people have for this iteration. It’s become an unhealthy obsession at this point. I don’t see those who genuinely love TS4 over on the forums for 2 and 3 constantly bashing them, and it’s not necessarily because they love those games too some TS4 fans actually prefer it over 2 and 3, and yet don’t feel the need to spend hours, days, weeks, months, or even YEARS trashing them and convincing the players that they’re out of their tree for enjoying them. Seriously there must be something else you can do. Like oh, I don’t know…playing TS2, or TS3 since you profess to love them so very much.

As someone who has played all all four iterations of the Sims, TS4 has held my attention the longest as it has allowed me the most flexibility to tell my own stories. I remember liking 1 and 2 well enough (haven't played them in years now), but I remember preferring other games at the time and only playing sims once in awhile (partially because of the loading time). I played 3 pretty heavily for about three years and had a good time, but I had to mod it up pretty good to make it run properly, and those mods ended up slowing the game down so much as to make it unplayable for me. Once I tried 4 (after the release of toddlers and vampires) I never went back, as it ticked most of my own boxes for what I wanted in a simulation game.

Like others have said better than I can, each version of the game has its own style, and what works well for one may not be to another's liking. Doesn't make one objectively better than another. For example, there are things in 4 that none of the other games ever had, but that doesn't retroactively make the older games incomplete of lacking in value.

as a player i think those that make those youtube videos are unreliable its best to trust or own judgement and see for ourselves ingame but thats me as a player of the sims4

"Astro;c-18065633" wrote:

I agree with you that anything one sees as lacking is a personal opinion, but I'm curious, do you see any areas that the game is lacking in?

Heck yes, I do. But that too, is just my opinion. Which is basically the only point I was making here. We all have opinions, and I love threads where people share those opinions freely. "Areas" where a game is lacking, however, does not make the game as a whole necessarily lacking.

I mean, all games in the entire franchise are lacking in some areas, as far as I'm concerned.

But I take issue when anyone tries to argue with someone else's opinion and claim that their own opinion is fact and therefore unassailable. The entire premise of this thread is based on that; it's right in the subject line.

"simmerorigin;c-18065620" wrote:


They're pretty...essential...to Sims functioning as a game. If you don't care about what was referenced, like lack of smart AI (huge!) then you just care about Sims 4 as a glorified movie-making tool, as someone said on Twitter.

And your entire first sentence is still just an opinion, no matter how you frame it and how tightly you hold the belief. That your statement is an opinion is the only fact in what I quoted from you.

Besides, no sims game has had good AI. They haven't had any AI at all, actually. I mod, I know how sims decide what to do in all of the games, and there's no AI in any of them....just objects and interactions that attract them, or not. That's not AI.

"Stormkeep;c-18065787" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18065620" wrote:


They're pretty...essential...to Sims functioning as a game. If you don't care about what was referenced, like lack of smart AI (huge!) then you just care about Sims 4 as a glorified movie-making tool, as someone said on Twitter.

And your entire first sentence is still just an opinion, no matter how you frame it and how tightly you hold the belief. That your statement is an opinion is the only fact in what I quoted from you.

Besides, no sims game has had good AI. They haven't had any AI at all, actually. I mod, I know how sims decide what to do in all of the games, and there's no AI in any of them....just objects and interactions that attract them, or not. That's not AI.

The Sims 4 took a few steps forward and many steps back. This can even be analyzed quantitatively, as many have done before. Perhaps you *value* what Sims 4 improved, which is why you like the game more. That's opinion. I don't argue with your opinion. However, Sims 4 is a net regression in terms of substance.

"simmerorigin;c-18065799" wrote:
The Sims 4 took a few steps forward and many steps back. You can even be analyzed quantitatively, as many have done before. Perhaps you *value* what Sims 4 improved, which is why you like the game more. That opinion. I don't argue with opinion. However, Sims 4 is a net regression in terms of substance.

That’s your opinion some of us would say that other iterations were cluttered up with unnecessary features that restricted the way we like to play, and that too can be quantitatively measured.