Beaches in existing worlds

"agustd;c-16578764" wrote:

"icmnfrsh;c-16578755" wrote:

"agustd;c-16578687" wrote:
All I've learned through the years is - never believe EA when they say that something is impossible.

They are ALWAYS lying. Always.

"Impossible" is usually a shorthand for "we can't implement it with a satisfactory quality given our current resources". Fewer things would be "impossible" if EA gave The Sims the love and resources it deserves, whether it's labor or time. Now that TS4 is in better shape compared to the past, and seeing how they were able to make seasons affect every world, I'd really love it if making bodies of water swimmable wasn't so "impossible" anymore.

Exactly. There are very few things in game development that are truly impossible. Everything else is just a matter of time you're willing to put into bringing your idea to life and the resources available. EA could afford absolutely everything players want from the Sims, but they'd rather pump their money into everything but this franchise.

A swimmable beach will most likely come in a vacation DLC.

Yeah. Imagine what we could've gotten if TS4 wasn't built to be always online in the first place. :( It's good that they tried to salvage the base game by patching in the most requested base game features, but we could've gotten a lot more in another reality. Possibly dynamic worlds.

"agustd;c-16578687" wrote:
All I've learned through the years is - never believe EA when they say that something is impossible.

They are ALWAYS lying. Always.

But it's not EA that said it was impossible, it's rumors by simmers. Rumors that it was impossible to make pools, or pets, or toddlers, or seasons in all the worlds, when EA has always said it was possible, but that it would take time. Simmers aren't lying though, they just aren't knowledgable on this kind of thing.

Beaches in all the worlds is the same thing, EA didn't say it was impossible, just that it was unlikely. And I can understand why they would rather choose to provide more gameplay in a Beach GP, rather than focus on adding beaches in all the world, which wouldn't be that needed when you can use all the worlds in the same save game.

"agustd;c-16578687" wrote:
All I've learned through the years is - never believe EA when they say that something is impossible.

They are ALWAYS lying. Always.

ALWAYS lying? Don't you think that statement was unnecessary? Maybe there's a perfectly good reason why EA isn't going back and changing 10 whole worlds just to include beaches/swimming areas. Maybe EA feels it's much more important to fix bugs so people can actaully play the game.

"Neia;c-16579014" wrote:

"agustd;c-16578687" wrote:
All I've learned through the years is - never believe EA when they say that something is impossible.

They are ALWAYS lying. Always.

But it's not EA that said it was impossible, it's rumors by simmers. Rumors that it was impossible to make pools, or pets, or toddlers, or seasons in all the worlds, when EA has always said it was possible, but that it would take time. Simmers aren't lying though, they just aren't knowledgable on this kind of thing.

Beaches in all the worlds is the same thing, EA didn't say it was impossible, just that it was unlikely. And I can understand why they would rather choose to provide more gameplay in a Beach GP, rather than focus on adding beaches in all the world, which wouldn't be that needed when you can use all the worlds in the same save game.

It's not rumors. One of the devs said they would have to replace the terrain (create a totally different terrian) for any exisitng world. And any changes to your save such as terrain upgrade with routeable features, would break your game. Impossible? probably not, but in gaming if you didn't do someting with an engine from the beginning it's almost impossible and not worth it. But if they thought ahead about swimming in oceans or any body of water in any world, they wouldn't be faced with a problem. If they want to bring a car GP out of the shadows or something else they aren't going to spend all their money and time redoing every world in the game. You are right, but when they say highly unlikely we might as well forget about it. Cost effective is always the bottom line. We're not talking about terrain paint. ETA: If something is going to break the player's save they are not going to do it. Toddlers or pools didn't break saves.

"Lady_Ballora;c-16579365" wrote:

"agustd;c-16578687" wrote:
All I've learned through the years is - never believe EA when they say that something is impossible.

They are ALWAYS lying. Always.

ALWAYS lying? Don't you think that statement was unnecessary? Maybe there's a perfectly good reason why EA isn't going back and changing 10 whole worlds just to include beaches/swimming areas. Maybe EA feels it's much more important to fix bugs so people can actaully play the game.

No, I do not think that statement was unnecessary.

@Neia since @Cinebar already explained everything I won't repeat them, but I sure do recall gurus saying it on many different occasions that something isn't possible for the game, like toggles for example. I know for sure they've said it's impossible to "switch off" a piece of DLC for a save and they will never implement a feature like that despite a tremendous cry for it.

And well, whether swimmable oceans in all worlds make sense or not is a matter of perspective I guess, yours is that they don't, mine is that they do. Mermaids have recently won Grant's twitter poll so devs may be looking into creating them for us in the future. If they do, that means you will only be able to play them in the world they will come with (likely with some type of body of water). Imagine if Vampires were confined to Forgotten Hollow.

@Cinebar
And the same dev said in the same thread said that he didn't mean it wouldn't be possible to change the worlds for seasons. He explained that they are able to do some targeted changes in the world. Lots of other devs have mentionned repeatedly that there was nothing that would stop them from adding seasons in all the worlds. And now, lo and behold, they have changed the worlds for seasons. They did exactly what they said they could do. How are they lying ?

But indeed, like you're illustrating here (and other people too), some people misunderstood what was said, read only part of it or second-hand reports, and then it get repeated and repeated as facts, so it's fairly difficult to distinguish the fake rumor from the fact in the end. There are lots of assumptions about game development, or about game engines, being thrown everywhere by simmers who aren't game developpers, lots of misinterpretation being repeated, so it gets all mixed up in the end, and it's sometimes hard to track down what was said.

@agustd
Mermaids were second, it's witches that won. (see the final poll below).
https://twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1012814687912714240

If they do mermaids, they could go several ways : mermaid form only in one world, or some targeted changes to some body of water in the old worlds, or a new pond tool to add water in some of the old terrains. What we can exclude I think is new lots with a beach on it in the old world. But I doubt mermaids were popular enough on this poll to justify redoing completely all the worlds, witches beat them by a large margin.

Have they implemented a switch for DLCs ? I'm not saying they never said something was impossible by the way (they did for open world or CaST), but that they aren't lying on this topic, and I don't recall we've got features in the game that they said would be impossible.

@Neia, seasons in worlds are an event which can be added with some FX animations and many other things like making sure all objects outside get animated to show snow on them. However, that is not even close to what would have to be done for water like in WB to be routable and without breaking a save if that was patched in or even in an EP. It's like the road system in TS4..there isn't one. And there is no 'system' in the game to allow Sims to swim in water which is FX at the moment. ETA: I have never said developers are lying. Ever. What the dev said in the old thread where they answered questions was they would have to build a whole new terrain and it would break a save to make WB ocean< (aka FX) swimable.