Considering buying Eco Lifestyle - I have a few questions for players who have it

1. You can turn off pollution completely
but not by specific world its all worlds get eco footprint or none

does not turn on off when travelling its similar to the weather settings for blizzard in that you either have it or don't

also you have to get rid of trash in evergreen harbor through gameplay (or probably some cheats I am not aware of) but I prefer the trashy look so I have not changed things

eco footprint it seems way too easy for me to have all my dang worlds be green

you have to intentionally be adding trash and stuff to make it polluted

otherwise I don't really know

I haven't really played the pack enough to tell about the bugs and I am still confused if i have NAPs active even though i turned them off because sometimes i get random eco inspector dudes visiting vlads house

oh yeah and the dang clay, hate that.

kind of would not recommend this pack unless you are super into it
I find I just use the trashcan everywhere pretty much :lol:
but it does pair well with get to work i suppose

Someone else will probably reply after me but I have this pack so I can answer for my game. Both the Eco Footprint and the NAPs can be turned off in the settings in which case the world effects turn off as well. I play rotationally and the settings never turn back on if I don't do so manually. I've had the NAPs off for a while though I did occasionally have a few neighborhoods in Evergreen Harbor vote for NAPs they wanted that were directed by me as the player. Expect to see some clay balls on tables at restaurants and the like but that wasn't a big deal to me. I never had the Sharing As Caring one that causes community lot theft active in my game.

Some people don't like the world. I definitely use it. It's kind of a very average town based on the Pacific Northwest. It's good for industrial & hipster or even urban styles. You can clean up the neighborhoods or leave them as they are. Port Promise is very gritty. I've actually played a lot with Conifer Station, kind of a gentrifying (or not if you prefer) area with townhouses and apartments. That has been a popular place for my university graduates to move to. The careers link well to college degrees and there's some interactive gameplay for the jobs in urban planning and environmental management. I actually do like that and play with that. I also like the ways in which you can change the community spaces to suit your gameplay. Grims Quarry is also a nice green neighborhood.

I like the creative activities that come with the pack. You can also recycle excessive stuff in sims' inventories. I'm not into playing with grubs personally so I don't do that. I would label it a very average world and a good starter one if you like the aesthetic that some of it offers. I definitely use the CAS/BB a lot.

To emphasize based on your question, if you turn the features off then they do not impact your game. I had eco-effects on for a while across the save and then turned them off and immediately noticed a difference. I might sometimes switch them back on and make my sims be more eco-conscious. When the effects are off, they are off globally for that game save. The setting works similarly to the fame setting for Get Famous.

Just a few inputs...

I turned off the eco effects in game setting, but I think this only takes away the animations in world/hood view, and not (always) in each lot. Recently I visited a lot where the pollution was real bad. I like this, because the pollution on lot level will normally make sense, being in cities or hoods with a high level of commerce. Specific items (ie fireplaces) will add to the pollution "score", but it also depends on what lots you actually play. If there is a "bad" lot in the hood, but your sim frequently visit the good lot (say a park) the negative pollution will take longer to tick in - if ever.

For NAPs, which I like but dislike how they were performed - with no customation per NAP (whish we could have created custom NAPs!). So while I use them for my kingdom's political system, I turn of the voting. Seems like no changes are made to current NAPs but you will still get the weekly notifications "voting is open/closed". When installing the pack NAPs will probably be assigned to some hoods, but you can easily cheat them off by shift-clicking the mailbox (must be done once per affected hood). Even if NAPs feature is restricted in your game settings, sims will keep earning "influence points" which is a sort of community currency used for voting. Unfortunately there is no way to spend those points on anything else.

I like many features of the ECO pack, especially the many new ways to make a living from home, also CAS is good, and I find the BB good because it represents something different in the game. However, this is one of the packs that I could have survived without, I'm simply not enough into ECO to explore all the features.

Re: NAPs
If you turn off NPC voting, then NAPs aren't really gone, but they only happen if your sim votes for them. Otherwise, you'll get notificiations about the voting window and NAPs being enacted, but if you check the NAPs on your mailbox, there won't be any. For neighborhoods where you don't have any Sims living, I don't think NAPs activate if you have NPC voting off, but I haven't tested.

I do know that since I turned off NPC voting, I haven't had any mysteriously broken community lots because of issues with Caring is Sharing (namely that NPCs would swipe required community lot items) and I turned off NPC voting not long after the pack came out, so we're looking at a couple of years of play now.

"Lenny_Ogg;c-18337945" wrote:
I wish we could turn them completely off.

NAPS CAN be turned off.. just clicking the option if NPC can vote off.

But any active naps already will not get deleted, those have to be turned off manually.

But if turned off at beginning of the save, no naps will happen, at least I have never had unwanted NAP in my saves, EVER.. Game may still give a notification of this and that NAP , but its visual bug only.

I personally love the world and use it much. EL community lot is my far favourite lot type.

EDIT: and yeah, all eco effects, can be turned off, and the toggle do WORK
EDIT2: way too many typos, still .. *sight*

60% off is good for what you get, as most mentioned they can be turned off. I haven’t really explored those features since I launch of the pack. The world looks amazing all season round. I use a lot of that packs build items too, the windows and doors are easily my favorite, in my top 3.
You can also make it through settings so that only your sims vote on NAPs, that’s how I was able to modernize my world without other NAPs getting passed.

"Lenny_Ogg;c-18337967" wrote:
Maybe it only works with a new save?
I turned NAPs off right after release but I only have this one save. (I don't use mods.)

Kind of. If a NAP was enacted before you turned off NPC voting, you'll need to pick a family in that neighborhood and cheat off the NAP on a mailbox, but then they shouldn't show up ever again.

I also play vanilla, and none of my saves have had issues with NAPs since I turned them off.

@Lenny_Ogg and everyone else plagued by Sharing is Caring: In addition to cheating away the NAP, you ALSO have to remove the hidden trait from several sims.

The problem is this: When Sharing is Caring goes into effect, the sims in the neighborhood get a hidden trait that allows them to steal autonomously like kleptos EVERYWHERE they go, not just in that neighborhood.

When the NAP is repealed, the trait goes away. However, if sims move around, they take their hidden NAP traits with them, they do not get updated automatically. I had this happen with a sim from a Good Old Times neighborhood, she got fined at uni, despite the uni neighborhood not having that NAP. That's how I learned about those traits. I don't know the trait names on top of my head, since I add/remove them with MCCC, but can look them up later.

I have the pack and am very happy with it.

1. Pollution can be turned of in the settings. You won't see the score of the neighbourhood at all
2. NAP voting can be disabled. This doesn't disable NAP themselves but prevents any NPC from voting. In other words only votes you actively make as a player count. So you can still vote if you want and implement a NAP. Any existing NAP will remain active until you revoke them with the mail box.
3. Every week you will get a message that a NAP has been voted, even if you have voting off. This is a false alarm. With NAP voting disabled (and no votes from active sims) no NAP will become active despite the messages. I once had smog despite pollution being disabled. I managed to sort it out but it was an annoying glitch. But this was only once in all these years.

If you don't want to use NAP at all, I suggest disabling voting right away. I read about hidden traits getting added to sims with NAP which can stick around if you disable NAP's. Nor sure if this bug is fixed by now.

The neighbourhoods are very trashy by default. There are two special NAP's to change the neighbourhoods in evergreen harbour to make them look better. These are the only NAP's I use. They can be added with cheats by shift clicking on the mailbox/voting boards.

"DaWaterRat;c-18337972" wrote:
Kind of. If a NAP was enacted before you turned off NPC voting, you'll need to pick a family in that neighborhood and cheat off the NAP on a mailbox, but then they shouldn't show up ever again.

I also play vanilla, and none of my saves have had issues with NAPs since I turned them off.

I'll have to try this. I take my doggies to a vet in Brindleton Bay and the veterinarians are always wearing bags. It really doesn't inspire confidence in their work. ?