Customizable Pronouns First Look

"logion;c-18039188" wrote:

"StrawberryYogurt;c-18039179" wrote:
If they do announce Sims 5 I imagine this will be a feature as well. I just hope they allow traditional simmers to play the way they want to as well. I see lots of games now deleting sex/gender altogether, just assigning body types and pronouns. Thats not how I see myself, the world and thats not how I play. So i hope they can still respect traditional players perspective and keep things optional like they do at times.

I think that's why they showed their pronouns during that segment on the livestream. To be clear that they are not removing him/her.

That is questionable. They said they are not removing him/her from the pronouns list, but they also said that they are re-wording the text messages so that they can fit with the custom pronouns also. This means that they are actually removing a lot of traditional pronouns because most text won't work with custom pronouns, and this will be very visible in languages that have male and female forms for nouns, adjectives, etc. Even in English, you have words like actor and actress, host and hostess, waiter and waitress, etc. to distinguish gender, they will need to scrap such words if they want to make the pop-up messages work with custom pronouns.

"Benjamilian;c-18039183" wrote:

"Peppers;c-18039173" wrote:
But not everyone feels the need to use pronouns.

Fun fact: the word 'everyone' is a pronoun

Well played, Well played.

Interestingly though, there are some languages which do not have pronouns at all, and they manage to communicate just fine. Japanese only sort-of has them, and there's a language in South America that has nothing which even remotely resembles pronouns.

"crocobaura;c-18039194" wrote:

"logion;c-18039188" wrote:

"StrawberryYogurt;c-18039179" wrote:
If they do announce Sims 5 I imagine this will be a feature as well. I just hope they allow traditional simmers to play the way they want to as well. I see lots of games now deleting sex/gender altogether, just assigning body types and pronouns. Thats not how I see myself, the world and thats not how I play. So i hope they can still respect traditional players perspective and keep things optional like they do at times.

I think that's why they showed their pronouns during that segment on the livestream. To be clear that they are not removing him/her.

That is questionable. They said they are not removing him/her from the pronouns list, but they also said that they are re-wording the text messages so that they can fit with the custom pronouns also. This means that they are actually removing a lot of traditional pronouns because most text won't work with custom pronouns, and this will be very visible in languages that have male and female forms for nouns, adjectives, etc. Even in English, you have words like actor and actress, host and hostess, waiter and waitress, etc. to distinguish gender, they will need to scrap such words if they want to make the pop-up messages work with custom pronouns.

Ah man, I was just happy that people got their pronoun customizer so we would keep the game from going completely gender neutral. Now I'm bummed out again. I think this pronoun hype is getting out of hand.

"Babykittyjade;c-18039177" wrote:
To be honest I'm a bit annoyed that we now have to look at pronouns perminately next to the name it seems. As I don't like how everyone displays it everywhere all over themselves these days. Personally I'm tired of seeing it and remember when people were just people regardless of how they identified.

What's wrong with that? I always wear this T-shirt out in public:

Hey there, He-Man! I'm Wonder Woman! :D

"crocobaura;c-18039194" wrote:

"logion;c-18039188" wrote:

"StrawberryYogurt;c-18039179" wrote:
If they do announce Sims 5 I imagine this will be a feature as well. I just hope they allow traditional simmers to play the way they want to as well. I see lots of games now deleting sex/gender altogether, just assigning body types and pronouns. Thats not how I see myself, the world and thats not how I play. So i hope they can still respect traditional players perspective and keep things optional like they do at times.

I think that's why they showed their pronouns during that segment on the livestream. To be clear that they are not removing him/her.

That is questionable. They said they are not removing him/her from the pronouns list, but they also said that they are re-wording the text messages so that they can fit with the custom pronouns also. This means that they are actually removing a lot of traditional pronouns because most text won't work with custom pronouns, and this will be very visible in languages that have male and female forms for nouns, adjectives, etc. Even in English, you have words like actor and actress, host and hostess, waiter and waitress, etc. to distinguish gender, they will need to scrap such words if they want to make the pop-up messages work with custom pronouns.

I assumed from the livestream that they are going to add messages which will be displayed depending on the pronoun that you will choose. So if you have he/her the game will use the default messages. If you have something else then the game will select another message.

That's the method that makes most sense in my opinion. Because you can't have messages that works with both he/her and a customizable pronoun for many languages so the game needs to switch between different messages depending on what you selected in CAS.

"crocobaura;c-18039194" wrote:

"logion;c-18039188" wrote:

"StrawberryYogurt;c-18039179" wrote:
If they do announce Sims 5 I imagine this will be a feature as well. I just hope they allow traditional simmers to play the way they want to as well. I see lots of games now deleting sex/gender altogether, just assigning body types and pronouns. Thats not how I see myself, the world and thats not how I play. So i hope they can still respect traditional players perspective and keep things optional like they do at times.

I think that's why they showed their pronouns during that segment on the livestream. To be clear that they are not removing him/her.

That is questionable. They said they are not removing him/her from the pronouns list, but they also said that they are re-wording the text messages so that they can fit with the custom pronouns also. This means that they are actually removing a lot of traditional pronouns because most text won't work with custom pronouns, and this will be very visible in languages that have male and female forms for nouns, adjectives, etc. Even in English, you have words like actor and actress, host and hostess, waiter and waitress, etc. to distinguish gender, they will need to scrap such words if they want to make the pop-up messages work with custom pronouns.

I find that being a good thing I have a hatred with gendered careers. Especially fireman, police man, etc. They have gender neutral options thankfully but there's still people who will use the male version when talking about anyone. And like idk it always bothered me. So im glad in the sims when we get something that's typically called "snowman" is called snow pal instead.

I think the new pronoun system looks really good so far!

I like it. Its not a feature Ive been personally begging for and I probably wont use it much, but its a good addition for those that have been clamoring for it. It's going to be interesting to see it further developed.

This could potentially be very fun for my noble Sims. I would like them addressed royally as Thy and Thine. Customization is always good. I'm happy if this makes players struggling with their gender identity feel more comfortable playing the game. I want everyone to love this game and have fun playing it.