... Unless developers dare to pull a risky card of making it content/quality equivalent to what you would get from an stuff pack, which would obviously flop straight away, I can't think of any other expansion pack's concept developers could pull out of their magic hat that would be considered... well.... a new to table and worth the categorization.Why? Well If you think about it:- It couldn't be a destination/ traveling one, because the upcoming teased game pack and Outdoor Treat already gave us a hint that such things presumably will continue on game packs, so it would look out-of-consistency and not practical from a business sense If it did came into an EP.- Nor a freetime/generation one, because in another retrospective, Parenthood GP shows that future content that are scattered as puzzle pieces (elders gp, teen/youth gp, family bonding time gp) could hot-sell for a nifthy price, even though some find it absurd due to being rip-off and not instead packed gameplays into one big concept of a full expansion pack. EA likes to do that.- Supernatural: chances are they're planned to be produced/released as seperate lifestates in each seperate dedicated-to-them gamepack, because the last time we got last occult creature (and may I add, the first and up-to-day only fleshed out lifestate) was in Vampire game pack (and that sold like hot-cake, and If you pay attention in my other placed in brackets remark...) before the absence of their overflowed present in dlc and is stagnant since then up to very now. In a nutshell, the practical business sense is: *) A Lifestate + in a Gamepack = time and resource devouted for a flesh out life state.7*) Fleshed out and in-depth lifestate = sells like hot cakes.- Showtime: bad reputation since the day it came out during TS3 era, so yeah I don't think they're gonna repeat that historical mistake.- Partying/HouseParty: Should be obvious enough by them a while ago, that we are oversaturated of this dull, overstocked champagne than it needs for a local store when we used to shop there before that item got over-shifted to much for our preference.Yeah, based on these mine presumptions I can only make a wild guess that after seasons (If they do have plans, which can hardly be argued there aren't for such fan return demanded dlc) I can conclude that may be the end of expansion packs or of more shitty ones that really flop and are really to a big drop point that they no longer consider what their label as - expansion packs. Imagine an expansion that doesn't include game-changing and offers only new objects and clothes (like literally what a stuff pack would do) or a gamepack-esque.Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts, speculations, dot connections, etc.

I think not. The Sims 4 is nowhere near the end of its lifespan.

"MrMonty96;c-16279673" wrote:I think not. The Sims 4 is nowhere near the end of its lifespan.Just to clarify, the end of expansion packs is what I'm speculating. Not really including game packs and stuff packs into this one big assumtion/theory/prediction I thought off.I also wanna I say, I did forgot that there were University EPs in past games, so that can be another possibility in TS4 as the exception with Seasons (so that makes those two LAST expansion packs in TS4). Or much worse/better (depending how you look at it): University Core elements could be split into two content packs: a gamepack that includes (much like Dine Out with the retail system it utilizes to simulate restaurant) dorm as independent and exclusive to that dlc, and a expansion pack for that whole off-screen classes&majors that act much like careers, which from the observation I picked up sim JOBS can only come in EP form.Seriously, what would EP introduced that normally GPs wouldn't? There isn't much else except for the two returning one's from the franchise, so anything else that they can offer as a new-to-the-table ~ would be in future game packs.

Actually, I don't see it as this being the end of EPs. I think EA wants to get the big ticket EP themes out of the way so that they can start bringing out themes we've never thought of or ideas that were requested for years but have never come to life until now. Plus GPs seem to fill in some of the gaps in terms of gameplay.

I don't think that one thing implies the other. They can still do some sort of vacation EP or Freetime one regardless.

Maybe a time machine ep where you could travel to different eras (not the future like in sims 3) like the ancient roman times, 1800's and 1920's! I think a off the grid/farming pack could completely change how you'd play. It would be harder to keep Sims alive and everything would have to be made or produced by hand. I think that would be a new fun and challenging concept. I'm sure people and devs have numerous of other original ideas of eps that can be done.

Despite Seasons, I'm speculating that could be the end of expansion packs.

montello3
7 years ago
I think not. The Sims 4 is nowhere near the end of its lifespan.
Saneksemoo
7 years ago
"MrMonty96;c-16279673" wrote:
I think not. The Sims 4 is nowhere near the end of its lifespan.

Just to clarify, the end of expansion packs is what I'm speculating. Not really including game packs and stuff packs into this one big assumtion/theory/prediction I thought off.

I also wanna I say, I did forgot that there were University EPs in past games, so that can be another possibility in TS4 as the exception with Seasons (so that makes those two LAST expansion packs in TS4). Or much worse/better (depending how you look at it): University Core elements could be split into two content packs: a gamepack that includes (much like Dine Out with the retail system it utilizes to simulate restaurant) dorm as independent and exclusive to that dlc, and a expansion pack for that whole off-screen classes&majors that act much like careers, which from the observation I picked up sim JOBS can only come in EP form.

Seriously, what would EP introduced that normally GPs wouldn't? There isn't much else except for the two returning one's from the franchise, so anything else that they can offer as a new-to-the-table ~ would be in future game packs.
Simfan923
7 years ago
Actually, I don't see it as this being the end of EPs. I think EA wants to get the big ticket EP themes out of the way so that they can start bringing out themes we've never thought of or ideas that were requested for years but have never come to life until now. Plus GPs seem to fill in some of the gaps in terms of gameplay.
Sigzy_29
New Spectator
7 years ago
I don't think that one thing implies the other. They can still do some sort of vacation EP or Freetime one regardless.
Stardustis
7 years ago
Maybe a time machine ep where you could travel to different eras (not the future like in sims 3) like the ancient roman times, 1800's and 1920's!

I think a off the grid/farming pack could completely change how you'd play. It would be harder to keep Sims alive and everything would have to be made or produced by hand. I think that would be a new fun and challenging concept.

I'm sure people and devs have numerous of other original ideas of eps that can be done.
justme22
7 years ago
"DragonCat159;d-933876" wrote:
... Unless developers dare to pull a risky card of making it content/quality equivalent to what you would get from an stuff pack, which would obviously flop straight away, I can't think of any other expansion pack's concept developers could pull out of their magic hat that would be considered... well.... a new to table and worth the categorization.

Why? Well If you think about it:
- It couldn't be a destination/ traveling one, because the upcoming teased game pack and Outdoor Treat already gave us a hint that such things presumably will continue on game packs, so it would look out-of-consistency and not practical from a business sense If it did came into an EP.
- Nor a freetime/generation one, because in another retrospective, Parenthood GP shows that future content that are scattered as puzzle pieces (elders gp, teen/youth gp, family bonding time gp) could hot-sell for a nifthy price, even though some find it absurd due to being rip-off and not instead packed gameplays into one big concept of a full expansion pack. EA likes to do that.
- Supernatural: chances are they're planned to be produced/released as seperate lifestates in each seperate dedicated-to-them gamepack, because the last time we got last occult creature (and may I add, the first and up-to-day only fleshed out lifestate) was in Vampire game pack (and that sold like hot-cake, and If you pay attention in my other placed in brackets remark...) before the absence of their overflowed present in dlc and is stagnant since then up to very now. In a nutshell, the practical business sense is:
*) A Lifestate + in a Gamepack = time and resource devouted for a flesh out life state.7
*) Fleshed out and in-depth lifestate = sells like hot cakes.
- Showtime: bad reputation since the day it came out during TS3 era, so yeah I don't think they're gonna repeat that historical mistake.
- Partying/HouseParty: Should be obvious enough by them a while ago, that we are oversaturated of this dull, overstocked champagne than it needs for a local store when we used to shop there before that item got over-shifted to much for our preference.

Yeah, based on these mine presumptions I can only make a wild guess that after seasons (If they do have plans, which can hardly be argued there aren't for such fan return demanded dlc) I can conclude that may be the end of expansion packs or of more plum ones that really flop and are really to a big drop point that they no longer consider what their label as - expansion packs. Imagine an expansion that doesn't include game-changing and offers only new objects and clothes (like literally what a stuff pack would do) or a gamepack-esque.

Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts, speculations, dot connections, etc.

Still plenty of themes for EPs they could explore. Farming/rural themes have been frequently requested, so Down on the Farm could be in the planning stages: add horses (which were left out of C&D and other farm animals (the cows and chickens were very popular Sims 3 Store items, maybe add in sheep and a mechanism for shearing to produce wool which could be spun into wool and used to create wearables like scarves, hats or sweaters. Add in other craftables like jams/pickles, and a country fair where created items can be judged and Sims can win prizes.

We also haven't had a University pack yet -- I'd like to see University expanded to include all levels of education improved, and less emphasis on the "party" aspect like in the past. When children go to school, they only meet other children while teens meet only teens. Offer a form of homeschooling, maybe take a page from CL and offer "study from home" where you get assignments to do from home things like practice an instrument for 2 hours for Music Appreciation, or Find 3 Frogs for Biology Lab, or Interview an Elder then Write An Essay for History class...things like that. University could offer the opportunity to either move to the University town with your family, or you can commute to the school from your home which would offer less chance to participate in extracurricular activities.

Showtime wasn't that bad, other than requiring the help of other players to advance; Simport was pretty much a disaster, along with locking content that required SimPort to unlock (until the mod that unlocked everything automatically got developed and released). I think if they released a similar pack but didn't include SimPort I think would do well; people are still looking for an actual Singing Career post-CL's karaoke clubs, and I think the acrobat and magician skills were pretty popular. And they're not going to be able to get people to pay $40 for a pack that's only items, with no additional game play. I could see a possibility of maybe a double SP that would include new content plus more clothes/objects for $20.

Some of the ideas in the survey we took for the Community Pack (where laundry ended up the choice) could be expanded in the EPs or GPs. You could have the Wedding SP with more gowns, veils and such could be expanded into a GP or EP with improvements to the wedding system, automatic name change prompt, honeymoon system (get 3 days added to the vacation days system that could be used for a honeymoon or saved up for a really big vacation, etc.), Or maybe "off the grid" which was really popular could be either incorporated into Seasons or become a EP/GP of its own.
LoveMcQueen
7 years ago
I think Seasons, University/School for kids ,And a Celebrity type pack being possible expansions.

After those 3, Sims 4 will probably have run its course .
luthienrising
Hero+
7 years ago
There's been a lot of request for a farming pack, which is something that's not been done before. That, I think, would need EP-scale development. I don't see EPs going away until there's really nothing left that doesn't need a larger budget because of all the not-visible work that goes into it - the way Cats and Dogs needs a lot of new meshes and animations + new interaction systems.

As for worlds, we've seen full-sized worlds only with EPs so far. GPs have had only mini-worlds. I suspect that, too, comes down to how much budget it takes to make those worlds happen and that without EPs, we'd end up back into separately purchased worlds, but with less new about them than we get with an EP.
catloverplayer
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
"DragonCat159;d-933876" wrote:
... Unless developers dare to pull a risky card of making it content/quality equivalent to what you would get from an stuff pack, which would obviously flop straight away, I can't think of any other expansion pack's concept developers could pull out of their magic hat that would be considered... well.... a new to table and worth the categorization.

Why? Well If you think about it:
- It couldn't be a destination/ traveling one, because the upcoming teased game pack and Outdoor Treat already gave us a hint that such things presumably will continue on game packs, so it would look out-of-consistency and not practical from a business sense If it did came into an EP.
- Nor a freetime/generation one, because in another retrospective, Parenthood GP shows that future content that are scattered as puzzle pieces (elders gp, teen/youth gp, family bonding time gp) could hot-sell for a nifthy price, even though some find it absurd due to being rip-off and not instead packed gameplays into one big concept of a full expansion pack. EA likes to do that.
- Supernatural: chances are they're planned to be produced/released as seperate lifestates in each seperate dedicated-to-them gamepack, because the last time we got last occult creature (and may I add, the first and up-to-day only fleshed out lifestate) was in Vampire game pack (and that sold like hot-cake, and If you pay attention in my other placed in brackets remark...) before the absence of their overflowed present in dlc and is stagnant since then up to very now. In a nutshell, the practical business sense is:
*) A Lifestate + in a Gamepack = time and resource devouted for a flesh out life state.7
*) Fleshed out and in-depth lifestate = sells like hot cakes.
- Showtime: bad reputation since the day it came out during TS3 era, so yeah I don't think they're gonna repeat that historical mistake.
- Partying/HouseParty: Should be obvious enough by them a while ago, that we are oversaturated of this dull, overstocked champagne than it needs for a local store when we used to shop there before that item got over-shifted to much for our preference.

Yeah, based on these mine presumptions I can only make a wild guess that after seasons (If they do have plans, which can hardly be argued there aren't for such fan return demanded dlc) I can conclude that may be the end of expansion packs or of more plum ones that really flop and are really to a big drop point that they no longer consider what their label as - expansion packs. Imagine an expansion that doesn't include game-changing and offers only new objects and clothes (like literally what a stuff pack would do) or a gamepack-esque.

Anyway, I would like to hear your thoughts, speculations, dot connections, etc.

To the contrary there are plenty of eps they could do after Seasons

1)Find Love a romantic based ep
2)Universities
3)Amusement Parks though final name could be Theme Parks
4)Supernaturals though hints suggest witches may get their own Gamepack.
5)Tropical Vacation EP upcoming GP 6 is looking like Jungles and Adventures.
AFlyingNun
7 years ago
Assuming this year is Seasons, it'll indeed be released about 4 years and 2 months into Sims 4's lifespan. This is about the longest a Sims game has ever lasted. It's interesting we've not heard a peep about Sims 5, but tbh if there's bad news for the Sims in general then the Sims team would of course not tell us because they want us to stay hopeful.

I'm curious to see what'll happen: either this game actually does extend more than a year past it's predecessors, it just dies out like normal, and perhaps the Sims as a franchise fades away without active plans for a future too.