Discussion on recent SimGuru statements on Twitter

saying that without star wars most games wouldn't exist is an assumption that is only based on a personal opinion.

"Uzone27;c-17641964" wrote:
Sounds to me like she simply said the game can't be all things, to all people all the time. ^shrug^

Lyndsay wasn't around working for Maxis back in 1998, or at least not on the TS1 team in any major role. I wonder how many times they had to say that to TS1 fans...never. When you have lost the focus of what you are building or producing, you go all over the place and yes, you can attract a new type of player, but then no one is happy anymore. And I forgot anohter they used as an excuse that it's a story teller, pose a Sim, snap a picture, write a caption, game. It seems poor TS4 has no idea what it is, and why so many feel it should have never had a four after it's title.

ETA: It is very clear what The Sims Medieval is, a roll playing game, with quests and no generational play, no building and or ceativity for that, and or designing your own worlds or even quests. TS4 has no idea what genre it wants to be. Or even if it's just an avenue to promote causes.

Lol, I don't think SW had any thing to do with ping pong on an old Atari system or MS Solitaire. :o I could go back even further than that, but I won't, back to the days my 'pc' was a machine I put in ticket punch hole cards.

For me, I think the gurus are in a lose-lose situation. If they stay quiet, then they're blamed for not communicating enough. If questions are asked and we don't like the responses then the gurus are unprofessional, etc.

Let me be clear that I didn't like the responses that Lyndsay gave, but at the very least I'm happy that she said something & addressed some of the questions head on. To me, that's better than silence.

I really think the dev team needs to communicate more and address the issues that Simmers have. IMO it's been an underwhelming year for TS4, with lackluster content, a ton of bugs, etc. & it's not that the Star Wars pack is bad, as I know there are tons of Simmers excited for it.....I have an issue with having a new theme released when there are so many bugs (more than usual) that came with Eco Living that has heavily effected certain aspects of the game which have yet to be addressed, & so many other themes that the Sims community has asked for that is still unclear if we're getting. You add in the skin tone issue and when that will be addressed - it just feels that Star Wars has greater priority over everything else. This is just my personal opinion, as this is where the disconnect is for me. I like that they're releasing new themes, though not a fan of this one....I think it's cool to take risks. BUT, and this is a huge BUT....it seems to be prioritized over other things that have greater importance and that's where I have issue with the pack.

"bellagoth_;c-17643023" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17642362" wrote:
I think people forget how Will Wright was a Star Wars fan and how it inspired him to make the Sims. So without Star Wars I doubt most games including the Sims would exist.

https://www.masterclass.com/classes/will-wright-teaches-game-design-and-theory/chapters/the-relationship-between-story-and-games#transcript

star wars wasn't what inspired Will Wright to make the sims.
https://www.pcgamer.com/will-wright-at-bafta-the-creator-of-the-sims-on-his-influences-and-hints-to-his-next-game/
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2811638/-the-sims---born-from-fire.html

You should check out the video too. Sure Star Wars wasn't the only inspiration, but the article and video supports Sims Ant being an inspiration too and yes your article shared how Pokemon too. True I did go a bit too far with my opinion.

Anyways it was mentioned by him here with the storytelling aspect,
"Now, over time, through our culture, we've come to call one of these things play, these toy experiences, and the other one story. These are both, though, fundamentally educational technologies. I think this is why we enjoy consuming these things, because they actually help us build more elaborate, more detailed, world models with a limited experience base. Now, story and play I think have a really kind of interesting two sides of coin relationship here. Some of the really cool stories, the ones that really capture your imagination, you can deconstruct into characters, worlds, locations, objects. I watch my eight-year-old playing with Star Wars LEGOs, and he creates his own stories with the storm troopers and all the components from Star Wars-- and he kind of understands that universe-- but now becomes kind of a set of things for him to play with."

He talks about watching his eight year old playing with Star Wars Legos and his child making stories about storm troopers.

I do remember when Sims 4 did a crossover with Final Fantasy:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-pc-game-comes-with-sims-4-outfit/1100-6457061/

Actually have been a number of crossovers since Sims 1 days:
https://fictionalcrossover.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sims

I remember the Drew Carey parties.

@Scobre yes i have read the article and seen the video as well. in the quote, he is giving the star wars lego as an example of how you are given a serie of tools which you can make your own. the sims gives you the game, the worlds, the premades, but you make with them what you want.
SimAnt is Wright's game too, it's normal that he got inspired on his own project.
the pokemon thing...the quote goes like "Games are motivating kids far more thoroughly - whether they're learning Pokemon statistics or whatever - than teachers. Which is a shame." you misunderstood again.

the drew carey thing was a fun little cameo in an already well done game. easter eggs & references are very common anywhere however they stop being fun when they become intrusive and the main focus.

"bellagoth_;c-17645479" wrote:
@Scobre yes i have read the article and seen the video as well. in the quote, he is giving the star wars lego as an example of how you are given a serie of tools which you can make your own. the sims gives you the game, the worlds, the premades, but you make with them what you want.
SimAnt is Wright's game too, it's normal that he got inspired on his own project.
the pokemon thing...the quote goes like "Games are motivating kids far more thoroughly - whether they're learning Pokemon statistics or whatever - than teachers. Which is a shame." you misunderstood again.

the drew carey thing was a fun little cameo in an already well done game. easter eggs & references are very common anywhere however they stop being fun when they become intrusive and the main focus.

Honestly end of the day, it shows Maxis people have been fans of Star Wars for a long time including Will Wright. It attracts family people with kids like him. But I do see why it can upset being the main focus. I am just not shocked they did it being how much Star Wars things were put into the game and how popular City Living is especially the Geek.Con event in the game. It is like be careful what you ask for with supporting all the costumes in the game. Sims 4 is a total DND style game and I think that is the focus of the game is not supernatural fantasy but a role playing fantasy game now. Sad truth but with how supportive people were with the Llamacorn and Bear suits, the theme of Halloween costumes was bound to upset some Simmers sooner or later.

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