"darrenfroggy;c-17275461" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-17275122" wrote:
"Scobre;c-17275087" wrote:
"darrenfroggy;c-17275069" wrote:
All of this I absolutely agree with.
It's a sign of the times, unfortunately, where saying what one doesn't like seems more cool or whatever than saying what one does like. (I'm honestly too old for all that kinda stuff. I just want to enjoy my game and do whatever I can as a player to help it grow). The best kinda place seems to be some of the threads in the Ideas part of the forum, always great to see the kinda things Simmers come up with. Oh and the challenges section, that's always a fun place.
I get that some people who have been with this game since the start (I wasn't, for many reasons, none because I wouldn't have wanted to) have grown tired of not seeing the things that *they* wanted to see. Others had to wait a long time (occult players, those who wanted university gameplay...). Added to that the general state of the world that just makes everyone miserable, it all resonates and people group with those who agree with them (unfortunately in places like twitter, that kinda stuff tends to explode rapidly). But yeah, I do see how feeling like one is shouting into the void can feel exhausting and make someone go the "I give up, this is not gonna change" way.
Honestly though, for me personally, regardless of what happens next for TS4- whether any of the things I'd still love to see in the game (and man, do I ever have a long list ;)) actually make it in or not - I can see myself playing this one for a while.
Thanks I really enjoy this post. Oh I wouldn't mind reading your list too. I admit I have never been into challenges myself although I did create one with other Simmers, my fellow Squirrel sisters. Yeah that is what I would like to change is not having the state of the world creep into the Sims community. I come here to escape that, not get involved in the politics of all that. Yeah has felt like I've shouted into the void since I joined the Sims community. I'm glad you enjoy playing it. I'm currently working on making some TS2 premades the Pleasant family into spellcasters. I am a hybrid of playstyles and yes I do like university and occults too.
As far as my theme/patch ideas just to keep it confined to 10:
1) Farm pack
2) RV/tiny home/retirement pack
3) School pack
4) Werewolves, satyrs, genies, robots, zombies, fairies, and changeling life states
5) AI/Emotion system upgrade with fear emotion and nerfing of environment buffs
6) Revamping the trait and lot trait system
7) Adding NPCs firefighters, burglars, cops, social workers and NPC vehicles
8) Cars/transportation systems
9) Individual Sim descriptions
10) Upgrades to life stages from freeing babies, improving children, teens, and elders, and more activities for all life stages to do together including taking toddlers and babies to community lots
I doubt that these will be done too and yes why I've lost hope in the Sims 4 future. There are some activities like going to aquariums or the zoo and playing family sports I wouldn't mind either. Sims in Sims 4 are too much of hermits currently with the main focus of indoor activities only.
I didn’t really enjoy that post I must confess. Especially not the part where it’s suggested that people are being negative just because it’s some kind of fashion, a sign of the times. Disregarding that most people here aren’t criticizing the game because they want to be cool or belong to a ‘group’ or something. It’s also not about not seeing the things you want to see (like some spoiled kid). It’s about genuinely being bored when you really really don’t want to be and yet it happens every time you open the game. A game that you know can be so much better (because you’ve actually experienced - and still experience - it can be so much better). Also, all those people are very positive and enthousiastic about other things in life. You should see them in the Sims 2 and Sims 3 section for instance, you’ll hardly recognize them. It really puts me off when people are trying to belittle or downplay other people’s motives just because they don’t feel the same way, coming up with all kind of ‘reasons’ other than thorough arguments and a genuine opinion (talk about being dismissive). Love Sims 4, but grant others their own motives and reasons when they don’t. It’s not like they’re leaving you in the dark as to the why. And it’s not to be cool. If being negative is the new cool, I don’t want to be cool.
My apologies, I didn't include a "not all Simmers" disclaimer as I was talking about a general trend in the world, especially social media.
When you have people who talk about being 'woke' for changing their tack from focusing on the positive to being critical (and not particularly constructive), when you have people who make it a point to answer "what do you enjoy about X" with "I don't" or "nothing", when people who do enjoy something are lumped into a group called childish and naive and simple, then it's not hard to see that those people see a level of coolness in being negative. But again, *not all people*.
And yes, there definitely are those who act like something is useless and objectively bad because it doesn't fit their wants. Again, not everyone.
I'm not dismissing people with genuine constructive ways of how they'd want to see the game be different. I have, however, very little time for those who come into any conversation that's constructive with "I deserve to be heard and my take is that this is beyond helping, why bother". I love threads with people's ideas, ways that things could work better, ways that the game could cater to more than just one type of player. Which unfortunately is less common than (again, not applying to every single person) the attitude of "it's not gonna change, time to make sure everyone agrees".
Veering off topic a little: those kind of attitudes, on the grand scale of things, are definitely an ongoing trend, especially online. A significant amount of people (still not everyone) took "think critically" and took it to mean "cancel everything that has the slightest issue". It doesn't only apply to games, it's not every single person out there as many do indeed think critically in terms of seeing issues and looking for ways to fix them, but social media can be an echo chamber for people like the ones I mentioned. Final disclaimer: general trends, not applicable to every single person.
When you observe that something is a ‘sign of the times’, that suggested generalization to me. But of course I’ll wholeheartedly welcome the addition ‘not all simmers’. Not completely disagreeing with you there’s a lot of negativity by the way (especially on social media, although at the same time I see a lot of fake positivity there as well; people tend to exaggerate or polarize on social media and there seems to be little room for those standing in the middle). I also totally appreciate and even can relate to your love for those sections where the appreciation for this game is (regardless which version). It’s the reason why I only visit this little corner here usually, accept when I play and enjoy the game (Sims 4). I have no business there. Whenever I do enjoy the game (I did when I tried out GTW, JA and Vampires), I go to those sections and share my fun and enthousiasm. I’m far more happy then, than I am over here. And unhappy that it never lasted. So it’s definitely not a state I wallow in, being negative. But it is the state I
am in. I just can’t deny or ignore that. And for me it’s even as strong as, that I think the game (and EA) no longer deserves that we deny and ignore it. That doesn’t mean I think my opinions are gospel, but they are mine, genuine and not part of a sign of the times. Nor am I on any bandwagon.
I’m currently not active in the Sims 3 section by the way, because I love the totally closed off experience I enjoy in that game now for a change. I love to share, but right now I’m enjoying the game the way I did the first 8 months I played it in 2010, when I had no idea there were forums for the game. Later, when I became active on a forum and shared my stories and experiences and read other people’s stories and experiences, though I very much enjoyed that, I sometimes missed those first 8 months. So, at this moment I’m back to that: Sims 3 in my own bubble, Feedback and PM here to socialize with simmers and exchange opinions about the franchise.
Discussing the current development of the franchise in that respect is inevitable and believe it or not, I also enjoy that. Not because I like to be negative (the few times I did enjoy, really enjoy, Sims 4 made me realize how much I crave that) but because I like to discuss this franchise and share thoughts how things could and should be better. At the same time it is a sad given for me personally that Sims 4 is a lost case. For me it really is. Only ROM had me considering for a minute because of the theme, but not anymore. I could lie about that to spare people’s feelings, but when asked (like in the topic “should they end Sims 4 and start focusing on Sims 5”) my response is that yes, I genuinely feel that Sims 4 has had its chance and the latest developments don’t support the feeling that it’s going to get better. The game is older than the predecessors ever were, I think we have every right to express the want for it to end, to express a longing for a successor. Not that I’m totally confident that successor will be great (for me), because I’m not, but because I want to be hopeful again. I can’t help I lost all hope for Sims 4, on a personal level. I am never going to love and enjoy that game (unless they do manage to make basegame adjustments like Carl’s recently suggested in his video; I’m very sceptical about that but if they can will pull that off, nobody will be more enchanted to be proved wrong than me).