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"Writin_Reg;c-16242321" wrote:"Erpe;c-16242129" wrote:"JoAnne65;c-16242034" wrote:"Erpe;c-16242008" wrote:"MidnightAura;c-16241939" wrote:"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance.
Your daughter isn’t typical for two reasons:
1. She already has TS3 and TS4 and therefore doesn’t need to convince her parents (who usually aren’t simmers) to let her get the games. She already has them and knows them.
2. The target group is mainly 10 to 14 years olds who already are quite good readers and therefore can read the texts in the game. But your daughter is likely a little too young for this.
EA has attempted to renew the game and its expansions. But mostly for the sales videos which now are happier than earlier and show a lot of funny behavior. This is intended to sell the game and it seems to work quite well such that TS4 and its expansions now seem to sell as well as TS3 and its expansions did. But we know that the forum users can’t be the reason because a lot of them have stopped playing or returned to TS3. Therefore the reason must be that the young (mainly girls) in the target group wants the game and all its expansions just to try them out and to see all this funny behavior in their own game. They likely just don’t play the game long enough to become bored with all the repetions like most of us here do. Instead they just stop playing for a while when they have seen the things that amuses them and wait for the next free update or expansion. If this wasn’t true then how would you otherwise explain the high sales numbers for TS4 which now even have motivated EA to release two GPs each year instead of only one yearly GP like EA did in the beginning?
Might be me but you are in no way reacting to what @MidnightAura is saying. You even turned her niece into a daughter (9 year olds are good readers in general by the way, though I miss how that's relevant here). I read her comment, then yours, and I don't see any connection between the two.
The Sims games aren’t targeted at 9 years olds. But yes some of them are sometimes good readers but most usually they still read a little slow and have problems with long or unknown words. So in a game like this they will usually attempt to avoid reading more than necessary. But still there are always exceptions - and in both directions. I still remember boys who had problems with reading even when they were a couple of years older.
8-9 years olds can of course play the game with a little help from their parents or from older siblings. But I doubt that many 9 years olds ever will get the game if they don’t have any simmers in their own family because the game is T rated (or 12+ in Europe) and most parents won’t allow their 9 years old to get such a game unless the parents know the game themselves.
Not necessarily true as I give gifts of Sims games to many of the kids in my family whose parents do not play the Sims. As Matriarch of a large family no one questions my judgement and knows I will never send their kids games I feel are bad for their kids. I stand up for the sims games as wonderful teaching tools for kids - and for the point there is no bigotry or bullying in a sims game. It is a good tool for kids to learn how to behave to others, how to run a household and how being a responsible adult outside of their own family and what happens when they fail. Sims 2 was actually the best game as far as a teaching tool for kids from 8-12 even though it is rated 12+ and often the games even some school use for 4th grade Life classes. Most 4th graders are in the 8 - 9 age bracket. My Sister-in-law is a 4th grade Life Studies teacher and she has been using the Sims 2 in her class since 2006. Denise uses the Base game, the Uni game, and the pets game in class.
ETA - Denise is NOT a simmer though - the game is strictly a teaching tool for her.
We agree about this. But all the Sims games have been T rated (13+) by the ESRB because the games contained romantic interactions and woohoo which the ESRB considered to be not suitable for children. The ESRB even considered to change the T rating to M because EA had added a cheat code which could remove the blur in the bathroom.
Besides that TS2 was rated 7+ and not 12+. But PEGI later changed its rating to 12+ anyway because the UK joined PEGI and demanded this change.
I agree with PEGI’s original 7+ rating though and not at all with the ESRB’s T rating and considerations about a possible M rating.
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