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We may have fewer expansions, but we have a new category of pack, Game Packs. I think in Stuff Packs we're pretty much equal, and SPs in Sims 4 have at least one game play item while the SPs in Sims 3 were just, well, stuff. :|

Something occurred to me though -- I think I read somewhere that there were concerns about performance issues when they designed DSV which is why it was relatively small (in terms of buildable lots -- it does seem to have a lot of space to expore). Suppose those concerns were mainly for those on 32-bit systems, and the dropping of 32-bit support means that going forward we'll get larger worlds with more lots? It might take a little bit of time to see the results while they test the new limits but there could be benefits in the future.

It's all perspective and an objective opinion. For me, the sims 3 never felt "meaty" at all. I didn't bother with it til 2012 because I enjoyed 2 enough. So I bought 3, and more content, and every time I bought something for it I was let down again and again and wondered when it was going to get as good as 2. It never did. Not one pack brought it up to Sims 2 level.

Sims 4 is not the best yet. It's got work to do to surpass 2 and that means it needs to work on the sims themselves and the background dynamics of said sims to make them as individual as the way we create them. Their interpersonal relationships need some work.

But 4 is better than 3 from my perspective for many reasons.
1. The diversity of sim CAS and creating absolutely unique sims.
2. The ease of build mode and what they've added to that in terms of just pulling walls and moving things.
3. The animations are far better and while the sims are much the same as their sims 3 counterparts in terms of how they play out or act, they aren't near as robotic looking.
4. The content they give is more in depth. We finally get to go back inside restaurants (I hated the rabbit holes) and Vampires are amazing in this iteration. Apparently so are toddlers, but I don't play them enough to comment on that. The club system in 4 is superior. The holiday system in 4 is superior. There is a lot more in 4 than 3.

I hope they keep adding content, and I hope beyond hope that they have heard the feedback regarding the sims, the faulty emotion system, the faulty memory system, and that they are working on that first and foremost.

If they have to keep saying it then it means something... like they want people to believe it sooo badly.

I won't get into why I dislike TS4, I was told I'm irrelevent since I don't buy more nor play it any more. Just that I find it weak and boring.

What I mean by meetier.I'm talking about the expansion packs. The old expansion packs filled with new stuff. You never felt bored or empty. With four its entire different story. Yoy have people complaining about nothing to do
Create a sim
Create a sim is a tad better, but we don't got to create a style. The physical attributes improve. While the clothes didn't.
Vampires
They came in their own pack. Why in Sims 3, and 2 they were in expansion packs. The Sims 4 vampires are the best entirely. But that's because they came in an entire pack.
Toddlers. Toddlers are the only base game lifestyle that improved on. Kids are the same in 3. Teens got worse. The young adult stage is okay.
Animations are not gameplay. Richer animations don't equal gameplay. Dont get me wrong Sims 4 has improved, and some things they did better.Still the gameplay is not as meaty.

"Horrorgirl6;c-17000824" wrote:
What I mean by meetier.I'm talking about the expansion packs. The old expansion packs filled with new stuff. You never felt bored or empty. With four its entire different story. Yoy have people complaining about nothing to do
Create a sim
Create a sim is a tad better, but we don't got to create a style. The physical attributes improve. While the clothes didn't.
Vampires
They came in their own pack. Why in Sims 3, and 2 they were in expansion packs. The Sims 4 vampires are the best entirely. But that's because they came in an entire pack.
Toddlers. Toddlers are the only base game lifestyle that improved on. Kids are the same in 3. Teens got worse. The young adult stage is okay.
Animations are not gameplay. Richer animations don't equal gameplay. Dont get me wrong Sims 4 has improved, and some things they did better.Still the gameplay is not as meaty.

Idk, I myself find the game enjoyable and quite much more better compared to past EP. Sure Sims 3 has more content into their EP's, but I don't find them amusing, or enjoyable. Yes EP's like Late Night might have been Meaty, but I would rather have Get Famous since the Celebrity System was much more better and well thought. Clubs are gives complete freedom when it comes to autonomyand are a great feature that can be utilized by storytellers. Even Parenthood is an amazing features that provides more opprtunities to family players. Cats and dogs provide us Pets, which I find to be better than previous iterations as they are the only pets that encourage me playing with them, along with the Vet Career/Business that is never done better. This are all gameplay features, they may not big but they are better. I actually like them focusing on themes that is actually worth focusing on rather than slamming in an EP, to make it "meatier". The Celeb system is a great example.

"Horrorgirl6;c-17000824" wrote:
What I mean by meetier.I'm talking about the expansion packs. The old expansion packs filled with new stuff. You never felt bored or empty. With four its entire different story. Yoy have people complaining about nothing to do
Create a sim
Create a sim is a tad better, but we don't got to create a style. The physical attributes improve. While the clothes didn't.
Vampires
They came in their own pack. Why in Sims 3, and 2 they were in expansion packs. The Sims 4 vampires are the best entirely. But that's because they came in an entire pack.
Toddlers. Toddlers are the only base game lifestyle that improved on. Kids are the same in 3. Teens got worse. The young adult stage is okay.
Animations are not gameplay. Richer animations don't equal gameplay. Dont get me wrong Sims 4 has improved, and some things they did better.Still the gameplay is not as meaty.

I would have to agree on some points. Some things are better such as the graphics and of course build mode. CAS is better for shaping our sims. However, the packs in Sims 3 especially had a lot in it and we could buy individual items, customise already existing EA content which made with different patterns, colour wheel etc. I loved being able to create tattoos in Sims 3. I liked that we could give our sims lashes without using CC in Sims 3. I loved spiral staircases, the tubes from Back to The Future, and elevators we could put in our homes without the of mods, ladders we had in Sims 3. A standard staircase takes up a lot of space that could be better utilized.

I agree that better graphics and animations don't equal better gameplay.

They should have kept the richness in 3 the silliness and zaniness at times in 2.

I don't know if I agree on life stages though. I like that teens can live on their own and don't necessarily have a curfew. I love playing smaller households and having the option of our teens being able to start a household with their friends is kind of a fun idea.

I don't know if I would agree with the Vampires being better in 4 it had little content for the price we paid.

Sims 4 packs are like going to a restaurant ordering a steak dinner getting barely a bite size of steak, half of a b size potato with nothing on it, one very tiny piece of broccoli, a shot glass size of soup and half a slice of cocktail bread with the crust cut off tepid water and spending 50 bucks on the meal. While Sims 3 packs were like going to Hometown Buffet and paying 20 bucks and getting your fill on as much food you can possibly eat in a meal including appetizers a drink with endless refills and dessert. My analogy is one of my biggest complaints about Sims 4. I feel cheated out of a lot when they put out any kind of packs and I buy them.

To each their own and we will all value different things in this game, but the sims in 4 are anything but unique. In fact they're all painfully identical, more so than in Sims 3 where the fact that they looked like each other had everything to do with CAS being hard to handle (it requires some effort to avoid the waxy look; nothing sliders and CC won't take care of though). But once you've created a sim you love, they are far more unique in your game than in Sims 4. Also where looks are concerned, apart from the fact that the emotions override their actions and reactions (personality), they also override their facial features, destroying all uniqueness you managed to give them when they were looking at you with a straight face in CAS. And that's just looks. I really don't care what people think of sims in Sims 3, but calling sims in Sims 4 unique is too far of a stretch. Can't leave this unmentioned because it's actually the worst flaw in this entire game. How much better would this game be if they actually were unique.

As for easy build mode: easy isn't necessarily better. It's great I can throw in a room anywhere I want to, but why would I if I can't decorate it any old way I want to? Filling a room with preset objects that often don't even match is not how I want to spend my afternoon. Building in Sims 3 can be hard, but I happen to like a challenge. That really doesn't put me off.

Quite a few Sims 3 packs aren't in depth, quite a few are. They also came with open venues. Is a club system in depth? That's debatable. Ordering a bunch of sims to start doing the same thing. For me that's as captivating as watching paint dry. Not saying that's objective, if you do like it you do, but it's got nothing to do with depth. Depth lies in the way sims react to each other. Do they remember things, do they treat their fellow sims the way we would if we were in their situation. That for me defines depth. Being able to walk into a restaurant is not more in depth than walking into a tomb and explore it, or walk into a karaoke bar and perform with an audience. Not sure what Sims 4's holiday sytem is, must have missed that one. Sims in 3 can take a few days off and have a holiday in their own world. Go camping, go swimming in the sea, go scuba diving, I can come up with a lot of ways they can spend a holiday. And they can also do it in France, China or Egypt if they want to. Or in the future even.

The very fact Sims 3 is so much more open and added so much different, diverse stuff, makes it way more in depth and adds numerous different things to do. Because it tickles our imagination and there's nothing deeper than that. Joining the forums here broadened my view on this, because I met simmers who were doing things in their games that never even had occurred to me. I don't think Sims 4 offers that, because the gameplay is so scripted and one dimensional. The developers came up with a plan and we play it. And each and every simmer has no choice but playing the very same game.

The game will improve only when the person in charge is mature, responsible, cares about the game & it's quality, and makes sure that all involved in its development/production care. From what I've seen of the game after all these years, and on the live presentations that come out on occasion, none of what is needed is currently present.

"Horrorgirl6;d-957182" wrote:
So if you saw Grants latest tweets. How they have more dlc,and did more than sims 3 did. The other tweet well they have 200 people which is twice what sims 3 had? To be fair he was replying other tweets. These tweets do not really help the case at all.Yes you do get more dlc,but still, there is a lot missing content. Why the sims 3 had less content. The expansion packs felt meatier in comparison. We also had the store for certain objects.(Why it was overpriced). So basically you have more DLC,and more of a team . We still feel like we have less content,and the game feels empty. That is not a good sign :/ .

I'm pretty sure we do have less content with TS4. Some things have improved, sure, like toddlers, but the actual content is so much less than previous games. The tweet you mentioned had some nice replies, for example how quantity doesn't mean quality and how it looks more because previous packs have now been divided into multiple ones.
People can enjoy TS4 as it is, but saying it has more (gameplay) content than previous games is ridiculous. We can all hope it'll catch up, but looking back at the previous years... Well, let's say TS4 would have to go on for many, many more years to catch up.

"Oldeseadogge;c-17001577" wrote:
The game will improve only when the person in charge is mature, responsible, cares about the game & it's quality, and makes sure that all involved in its development/production care. From what I've seen of the game after all these years, and on the live presentations that come out on occasion, none of what is needed is currently present.

Well then you'd have to say the same thing about some of Sims 2 and all of Sims 3 seeing the ones we see on Camera have well over 10-12 years doing the same things they are doing now in those games. Lyndsay started in Sims 1. Same devs, same engineers, same animators etc. The only thing different is the heads of EA, the VP of the Sims Division, some of the artists, some of marketing, and the fact more devs etc who have been there a long time finally decided to become Gurus. Of course being a Guru only means they are volunteering to talk with Simmers - it has nothing to do with making the game.

I have thought to myself many times and wondered why these same people did something else so much better in 2 or 3 - why go so far in a different direction with less appeal - then I realize why they have to do that - is because it has to be different than all the rest of the versions other wise people then start harping about them stealing this or that from the other games and just being lazy. Seems there is no winning for the team. But fact is you can't have it both ways.