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"TheHavocado;c-16245491" wrote:
> @Scobre said:
> Erpe wrote: »
targeted at very young girls
> the safest iteration yet and honestly think the T rating is being generous with this version.
Have you checked the Vengeful Deity achievement again ? I still don't understand it's T by ESRB to this very, very day. I feel sorry for the young girls. Hope they never checked the achievement sections.
LOL yeah I read it and was like ok, wow that is very safely written especially after reading challenges like this great one for deviant Simmers: https://forums.thesims.com/en_us/discussion/916212/the-black-widow-challenge-with-extra-challenges Achievement section oh man don't get me started on how safe achievements are with no fail system to them. That annoyed me about the Sims 3 as well was taking away the consequences of not being able to complete achievements:
"Vengeful Deity
This Achievement requires you to kill 10 Sims die with unnatural causes.
There are a number of ways to do this! First off, you can make the other Sim learn Handiness skill and then let it repair an electronic item. If it doesn’t die of the electrical shock, starve them to death by selling your stove and refrigerator."
I did like the name of this one since it is in reference to a great Cary Grant film called Arsenic and Old Lace which comes as 11+ on Common Sense media in which these two old ladies give twelve lonely bachelor men elderberry wine spiked with arsenic, strychnine and "just a pinch of cyanide" and then their nephew who thinks he is Teddy Roosevelt digs graves for them.
"Old Lace
This Achievement requires you to cause 10 Non-Player Sims to die on your home lot.
There are a couple of ways to make the non-player Sims die in the game. You can use a Comedian Sim to make the other Sims die of laughter or use Criminal Sim to make others so angry that they will eventually die."
I don't think there is any harm checking the achievement section, but might frighten them doing backstory research on them like I've done above. That actually would be a fun project for a Simmer to do sometime if they haven't already. I love when Simmers research the backstories of things in the Sims games. Anyways I hope with the future of Sims games, they aren't as safe or lacking consequences as much as the Sims 4 has been. It is refreshing to see people play the first Sims game and still being creeped out by some aspects of it to this day."Terra;c-16246275" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16242008" wrote:
Your daughter isn’t typical for two reasons:
1. She already has TS3 and TS4 and therefore doesn’t need to convince her parents (who usually aren’t simmers) to let her get the games. She already has them and knows them.
2. The target group is mainly 10 to 14 years olds who already are quite good readers and therefore can read the texts in the game. But your daughter is likely a little too young for this.
EA has attempted to renew the game and its expansions. But mostly for the sales videos which now are happier than earlier and show a lot of funny behavior. This is intended to sell the game and it seems to work quite well such that TS4 and its expansions now seem to sell as well as TS3 and its expansions did. But we know that the forum users can’t be the reason because a lot of them have stopped playing or returned to TS3. Therefore the reason must be that the young (mainly girls) in the target group wants the game and all its expansions just to try them out and to see all this funny behavior in their own game. They likely just don’t play the game long enough to become bored with all the repetions like most of us here do. Instead they just stop playing for a while when they have seen the things that amuses them and wait for the next free update or expansion. If this wasn’t true then how would you otherwise explain the high sales numbers for TS4 which now even have motivated EA to release two GPs each year instead of only one yearly GP like EA did in the beginning?
Oh right, because earlier Sims trailers (you know, for those games where middle-aged people were said by Will Wright to be the biggest audience) never focused on funny behaviours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIwXl5JXuII
Your unsubstantiated comments about young girls and their short attention spans, inability to appreciate complexity, and preference for shallow experiences need to stop. Have you been a young girl? No? Then I suggest you stop trying to speak for them.
I never said any of those things!
Sure my daughter and a lot of other young girls don’t have short attention spans, inability to appreciate complexity or are shallow! Where did that come from?!!???
But young girls (and young boys too) have many more things in their lives and many more things that they want to try than adults who are singles, without a job or retired and therefore uses the game to get a little relaxing or variation in their otherwise often quite boring lives. Young teens and preteens have a thousand things that they want to try and they have a lot of friends, school, Facebook, sports and whatever. So they usually don’t just sit home every day with their computer and play the same game every day for years and then also go to this forum to read and write about the game too! That is the huge difference!
There were a lot of such young simmers in the Danish Sims 2 forum. But did they just write about the game all the time like the adult simmers did? No. They rarely discussed the game at all except when EA just had released a new EP or when they had technical problems with the game. The rest of the time they were in the offtopic forum where they wrote hundreds of messages every day. Those messages were about their school, their homework, their (boy-)friends, the many forum games they played and sometimes also about meeting eachother in the real world. The adult simmers on the other hand never wrote about anything else but the game!"TheHavocado;c-16246342" wrote:
> @Scobre said:
> -snip-
I don't usually make a big deal out of it though. It's just that having 'Kill' and 'Unnatural' on the same sentence tends to get messy. I meant, I have seen people commented on the achievement "Killing sims is very hard, I wish it was easier". I very understand that in some circles, this game is called a game for socio/psychopaths.
> (...) lacking consequences as much as The Sims 4 has been.
This. At least in GTA you'll have the entire city police run after you. In The Sims 4 ? Nope. Even their family is just 'Oh, well, that's unfortunate'. Makes you think.
If you haven't done Speed Dating, Serial Monogamist, WooHoo ! and Vengeful Deity achievement at the same time, you'll never know the full potential of this game. Oh, I'm not giving you ideas, just some consideration for any unsuspecting parents who are very critical about these kind of things. I personally didn't mind myself, but I know certain people who... throw 'plums' at these kind of things.
Cool I'll have to try that out sometime. Also nice to hear tips from fellow Simmers. Yeah I have a household called deviant Simmers to test out al the death types in the game just to see how long they take and I even noticed SimGuruGraham struggled with how long it took to kill his Sims too during streams. Yeah I miss having robbers and policemen. I never understood how people are ok having casinos in the Sims which are pretty much machines stealing your money, yet not ok if there is some law and order and theft happening in their games too. Never made sense to me. Thankfully the maid with klepto trait can steal sometimes, so that was a relief. I think it is just a bad life lesson the Sims 4 is teaching that actions don't have consequences which they do. I notice it with some posts too and was pretty sad I remember reading "I will not get punished for my actions because I like the Sims 4" so it is kind of aiding sense of not feeling consequences within the community too. I do think games in a way teach people how to interact with others and honestly don't think the Sims 4 is teaching very healthy social skills and yeah I could easily see the Sims 4 being referred to as a game of socio/psychopaths. The emotions being generally happy in the game don't help with this either. I just really hope that future Sims games portray the consequences that occur with real life so that it teaches people how to conduct healthy social interactions."Writin_Reg;c-16247232" wrote:
That is probably why the Schools that use the Sims in their Life Studies classes only use the Sims 2 even though there is two newer versions - they only approve of that version because it teaches real life lessons and nothing is taboo. BV even added a pickpocket Disasterly Dan or something like that - wasn't it?
Oh I am the worst - I cannot kill sims at all. They start pleading and crying and I just cannot take it. On top of it I feel guilty for trying it and spend half my time trying to make it up to them. Nope- all my sims live long full lives. I have to be the worlds worse deviate player. People would totally laugh at me if they saw what I go through sometimes to keep all my Sims happy.
In Sims 2 I had the user made homeless (and mean dad - Kevin, with his poor sad little girl Alice - and just could not follow the rules letting the child be so badly treated. Just couldn't - no matter how hard I tried. She just broke my heart and her dad was so mean. Needless to say he cleaned himself up, learned to love and cherish his little girl, and gave her a decent life.
That is me. That's how I have to play.
Yeah I think the Sims 2 is the most realistic at showing real life lessons too and I love hearing how it has been used in schools from you. Nah you aren't bad. I actually have a hard time watching some people play the Sims 4 because I'm like that's totally not how I play. XD Your stories sound interesting. I actually really love the Cinderella way to play sometimes too which is why it is fun to play rags to riches sometimes. I guess I play a little weird in that I like to see my Sims struggle before making them happy. It is just how I can personally relate to my Sims because nothing has come easily for me and I have never been rich, so I like having my Sims problem solve and work their ways through problems like I have. Disasterly Dan was an interesting character. I'm probably horrible saying that Nervous Subject was one of my favorite characters from the Sims 2, but he had such an interesting backstory being a tortured soul and the son of Grim Reaper. I actually felt bad for him, so in some stories he would kill the Beakers to escape his prison and in some stories he would run away, so I would give him a happy life after. After Cassandra Goth got left at the alter by Don Lothario instead of her being left at the alter, she would and then live a happy life with Darren Dreamer. But that's kind of nice we both share some sort of struggle in our games before making our Sims happy. To what extent it doesn't matter but honestly I've always found you one of the most wise Simmers on forums about life and everything and very knowledgeable about Sims history. I respect you a lot and it has been great getting to know you since joining forums."Writin_Reg;c-16246602" wrote:
Erpe you are starting to sound way too creepy and obsessed about young girls. How about you just drop it - as you are creeping a lot of us out - especially moms of young girls. It does not matter who buys what in your country - it is not necessarily like that in the whole wide world and besides it does not matter. I do not care what other people buy - it is none of my business unless they make it my business - I can truly only speak for myself and family that I know first hand for a fact what 30 of us in my family that do buy the Sims games and has since the beginning. Not one of them is young girls.
But please, you are getting really creepy obsessive sounding about this - and truthfully I don't really think any one cares.
I reacted because I was misunderstood and accused of thinking that young girls can’t concentrate on the game like adults do because I thought that they weren’t mature enough. But that never was my point!
Young teens just live a more active life with many interests and obligations. They have their school, their homework, their friends, often some sport and often other obligations too. So they don’t have much time playing the game.
I didn’t like to go deeper into the defense of such young teens because then I would have to start a discussion about why adults can play the game so much that they seem to be in this forum all day long. But we all know that such adults can’t have a full time job and a family with small children too because then they wouldn’t have had any time to play the game and discuss it in the forum at all. But anyway there is a reason why some adults seem to have much more time to play this game than any young teens ever would have. This is their own private matter though. So let us not go deeper into this but just accept that it is a fact that young teens have more things in their lives then the adult simmers here in the forum has - and that this sure isn’t something negative! I would have been very worried if my daughter hadn’t been interested in anything else but playing such a game when she was in that age!
Sam Player was an executive producer for the following games:
Sims 2: Apartments Pets (2008)
SimAnimals (2009)
And before he joined EA he was also the executive producer for:
Gex 3: Deep Pocket Gecko (1999)
Disney's 102 Dalmatians: Puppies to the Rescue (2000)
Walt Disney’s World Quest: Magical Racing Tour (2000)
In EA he was apart from that a senior producer on the Sims 2 and all the Sims 2 expansions and also on all the Tiger Woods golf games. This only shows that it is artificial to distinguish between Maxis developers and EA developers because they are all just EA developers and EA can move them around between all EA games developed in Redwood - just as EA wants!"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?"simgirl1010;c-16247650" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)
Then you have been lucky! :) You must have had a husband who didn’t mind to do all the shopping, cleaning, cooking and babysitting while you just were playing the game. But I wasn’t that lucky ;)"JoAnne65;c-16247685" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247663" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247650" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16247634" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16247586" wrote:
@Erpe, there you go again with the assumptions about who plays the game. I managed to work, raise two boys, take care of an invalid parent, do volunteer work, take care of a household and still managed to find time for playing the game and moderating a Sims forum.
Well done! :)
But I know that I wouldn’t be able to go to work 8 hours a day. Then pick up my daughter in the nursery. Go home and make dinner. Clean up and put my daughter to sleep before I could play the game and discuss it the most of the night here in the forum and then make breakfast, deliver my daugher in the nursery and go to work again without sleep. Besides that where is the time to be together with my wife? How could any marriage survive something like that?
So if that was still my life then I would only be able to play the game about half an hour a week and never have time to discuss it in any forum. How did you manage better than this?
I managed. And I've been married for 38 years. Happily. ;)
Then you have been lucky! :) You must have had a husband who didn’t mind to do all the shopping, cleaning, cooking and babysitting while you just were playing the game. But I wasn’t that lucky ;)
LOL, I see a pattern.- You have a theory based on a theory
- Someone comes along to refute the theory using real life arguments
- You tell them their examples are not typical/representative
I don't consider you creepy by the way. Just extremely stubborn ;)
I am just basing things on my own experience. But I sure would like to know how you manage to play the game all day long while going to work and raising a family at the same time? (I know that my daughters mum never would have accepted it if I had tried something like this!)- You have a theory based on a theory
- @JoAnne65 @Cinebar We are different and you seem to be more dedicated to this game than I am (even though I played TS2 all the time too for 2-3 years). If I look back on my own life then I can see the following:
1. In school I would certainly have played the game until I started in high school.
2. In high school I wouldn’t have been able to play the game even though I still lived with my parents. The reason was that I had more than an hour in transport time both ways and homework that needed about 3 hours when I came home. So doing this would at least take me 1+6+1+3=11 hours before I could play the game (I didn’t even manage to do all the needed homework anyway because I became too tired and therefore had to prioritize).
3. When I studied at the university after Highschool I was never home. I just had an extreme need to be among other people when I didn’t study. So I played chess in a club and as a member of a team which played a tournament against teams from other cities in Denmark. Or I played card games with other students. So no time for video games at all.
4. After university I got a job and needed to start a family. So again I had no time for any video game.
So I could have played as a child until I started in highschool. But then I couldn’t play video games again before I again became a single.
Today things are very different because I now love to be at home alone and able to do exactly what I like. But from I was 17 to almost 40 years old I wouldn’t really have had any time for such a game.
I am lucky to be well though and not at all ill like you alas are Cinebar. So I feel sorry about your situation and don’t hope that I will become ill myself very soon. - @Terra This isn’t true because I actually don’t think that the Sims 4 is more shallow or generally inferior to the previous big Sims games. It is just different and with another focus. I have also written a few times that I don’t know if I still would play the Sims 4 if I hadn’t played the previous games. But I stopped playing the Sims 2 after 3 years and I stopped playing the Sims 3 already after less than a year. So the reason that I don’t play the Sims 4 anymore actually is that the game doesn’t contain enough new improvements and that I already became tired of the previous games after some time.
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