When I first saw the adverts for the Sims 1 on the TV I used to think how could such a game be fun. But after a while and seeing so many great reviews I decided to give it a go. I was hooked! And when the Sims 2 came out I was worried about the aging process not knowing there were ways to stop it with the elixir of life. The Sims 2 was even more awesome and to be honest the best game I have played on the PC. The Sims 3 was so so. It had great content but I had trouble with the open world and zooming in, maybe my getting old and having motion problems. Also later on the glitches/crashes with all content was a problem because is had not been addressed. So we come to the Sims 4. It started out mean and lean but has expanded over time. I didn't like the game so much but came to warm to it. Although some expansions have cause me problems with my game and especially goals in the game. When I loaded Seasons suddenly all my wanting to find those crops had suddenly become seasoned based. Make a Greenhouse or go without, which meant I had to take time out to do that. I am not one for downloading items, never have been because of some of the issues they may cause. I have had many of my older Sim Players say to me, if an updated Sims 2 was made to run on newer computer they would still be playing the Sims. I understand that you want to make newer things to do in a game for newer players, but do you not realise how many people you have lost over time because of your changes? Are you not in the business of making money? Why are you not giving those faithful player things they want? Are you thinking that the younger generation are suddenly go to take to the new type of Sim games? I know things have changed a lot since the Sims 1 but one fact remains that the core objectives of the game have not. I don't dislike that you introduce time limited things into the game, but as someone who has played the Sims from the start wants to achieve everything for our little Sim people. And when you don't re-introduce those time limited things again they are lost and to me I personally feel I have missed out and therefore not keen to play. I wonder if some of you are focused on what many of the real hard core Sim Players want in the game? Or are you trying to lure new younger people into the game with new ideas? New is not bad but you need to keep a balance. And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot. I need to feel as like I did over 10 years ago, that my game was so special and I enjoyed it so much that missing a day was a tragedy. Sorry but cant feel that with the Sims 4 although it is a pleasant game to play when I feel like it

That is exactly how I feel about The Sims 4. I could play it forever. The fact that I can enter the game and have lots of fun for only one hour is amazing to me. With Sims 2 and Sims 3 (not to mention the Sims 1) this was impossible. Whether some people are busy to make money is no concern to me. they are so welcome. I enjoy this game a lot. <3

"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:I understand that you want to make newer things to do in a game for newer players, but do you not realise how many people you have lost over time because of your changes? Are you not in the business of making money? Why are you not giving those faithful player things they want? Are you thinking that the younger generation are suddenly go to take to the new type of Sim games? I know things have changed a lot since the Sims 1 but one fact remains that the core objectives of the game have not. I too would like to see a return of some of the features from past games but there are still many older simmers playing and enjoying the game. I'm one and I started with The Sims. And I believe EA is making plenty of money from the Sims 4.

"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:When I first saw the adverts for the Sims 1 on the TV I used to think how could such a game be fun. But after a while and seeing so many great reviews I decided to give it a go. I was hooked! And when the Sims 2 came out I was worried about the aging process not knowing there were ways to stop it with the elixir of life. The Sims 2 was even more awesome and to be honest the best game I have played on the PC. The Sims 3 was so so. It had great content but I had trouble with the open world and zooming in, maybe my getting old and having motion problems. Also later on the glitches/crashes with all content was a problem because is had not been addressed. So we come to the Sims 4. It started out mean and lean but has expanded over time. I didn't like the game so much but came to warm to it. Although some expansions have cause me problems with my game and especially goals in the game. When I loaded Seasons suddenly all my wanting to find those crops had suddenly become seasoned based. Make a Greenhouse or go without, which meant I had to take time out to do that. I am not one for downloading items, never have been because of some of the issues they may cause. I have had many of my older Sim Players say to me, if an updated Sims 2 was made to run on newer computer they would still be playing the Sims. I understand that you want to make newer things to do in a game for newer players, but do you not realise how many people you have lost over time because of your changes? Are you not in the business of making money? Why are you not giving those faithful player things they want? Are you thinking that the younger generation are suddenly go to take to the new type of Sim games? I know things have changed a lot since the Sims 1 but one fact remains that the core objectives of the game have not. I don't dislike that you introduce time limited things into the game, but as someone who has played the Sims from the start wants to achieve everything for our little Sim people. And when you don't re-introduce those time limited things again they are lost and to me I personally feel I have missed out and therefore not keen to play. I wonder if some of you are focused on what many of the real hard core Sim Players want in the game? Or are you trying to lure new younger people into the game with new ideas? New is not bad but you need to keep a balance. And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot. I need to feel as like I did over 10 years ago, that my game was so special and I enjoyed it so much that missing a day was a tragedy. Sorry but cant feel that with the Sims 4 although it is a pleasant game to play when I feel like it SIms 1 was the first PC game I ever got. It came free with my brand new desktop. I don't think we will ever get the quirkiness and uniqueness of the Sims 1 back. I loved Sims 2, it was such a step up from Sims 1, which for me was more rigid, in Sims 2 you could edit the town, make your own community lots. I remember making shopping malls and trailer parks. But Sims 3 is my favourite, it improved on Sims 2 with Create-A-Style and Open World, two things lost in Sims 4. I see Sims 4 as a major step backward for whatever reason EA wants to use as an excuse. Perhaps it's different now then when it first came out, I only bought the base game and was so disappointed and underwhelmed. I maybe could have played it longer than the few days I gave it if we had been able to do at least some of the things we could in Sims 2, like edit the town. I like to build and I like to edit my towns. The Sims 4 is cartoony and silly to me and seems geared towards a much younger gamer. So I continue playing Sims 3 while hoping for a real sequel in Sims 5. Not holding my breath.

There are many, many older "hard-core" simmers that enjoy this game. I'm one of them and I know and know of many others also. I think the groups of simmers you surround yourself with and their ideas or focus tend to become what people think of as a majority of players and what they want. Don't count on that being actually reflective of a majority or even the more seasoned simmers among us. There is also nothing wrong with newer simmers enjoying this game and being counted as customers of the franchise, their money.. time and enjoyment counts just as much as any other simmer does, like it or not, and it will count in making future games also.We all have a difference of opinion on what is good. I'm one of the starting from Sims 1 simmers who absolutely disliked Sims 3. Had to take a break during that time .. and I hope some aspects of what was in that game never return to the series personally. Of course the developers don't work for me so I guess I need to enjoy this iteration while it's in full swing and hope I'll enjoy the next game when it's made.

I like the old Sims, it's more fun. If EA it's gonna make another Sims the need to do like The Sims Busting Out for GameCube, they have a game mode called Bust Out it's like story mode and The Sims 2 they have a lot of good things to. And I we love to have Online, you pay 50 or 60 dollars for a empty game. Common guys make The Sims great again.

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simsister
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
That is exactly how I feel about The Sims 4. I could play it forever. The fact that I can enter the game and have lots of fun for only one hour is amazing to me. With Sims 2 and Sims 3 (not to mention the Sims 1) this was impossible. Whether some people are busy to make money is no concern to me. they are so welcome. I enjoy this game a lot. <3
simgirl1010
Hero
7 years ago
"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:

I understand that you want to make newer things to do in a game for newer players, but do you not realise how many people you have lost over time because of your changes?

Are you not in the business of making money? Why are you not giving those faithful player things they want? Are you thinking that the younger generation are suddenly go to take to the new type of Sim games? I know things have changed a lot since the Sims 1 but one fact remains that the core objectives of the game have not.

I too would like to see a return of some of the features from past games but there are still many older simmers playing and enjoying the game. I'm one and I started with The Sims. And I believe EA is making plenty of money from the Sims 4.
LiniSim
7 years ago
"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:
When I first saw the adverts for the Sims 1 on the TV I used to think how could such a game be fun. But after a while and seeing so many great reviews I decided to give it a go. I was hooked! And when the Sims 2 came out I was worried about the aging process not knowing there were ways to stop it with the elixir of life. The Sims 2 was even more awesome and to be honest the best game I have played on the PC.

The Sims 3 was so so. It had great content but I had trouble with the open world and zooming in, maybe my getting old and having motion problems. Also later on the glitches/crashes with all content was a problem because is had not been addressed.

So we come to the Sims 4. It started out mean and lean but has expanded over time. I didn't like the game so much but came to warm to it. Although some expansions have cause me problems with my game and especially goals in the game. When I loaded Seasons suddenly all my wanting to find those crops had suddenly become seasoned based. Make a Greenhouse or go without, which meant I had to take time out to do that. I am not one for downloading items, never have been because of some of the issues they may cause.

I have had many of my older Sim Players say to me, if an updated Sims 2 was made to run on newer computer they would still be playing the Sims.

I understand that you want to make newer things to do in a game for newer players, but do you not realise how many people you have lost over time because of your changes?

Are you not in the business of making money? Why are you not giving those faithful player things they want? Are you thinking that the younger generation are suddenly go to take to the new type of Sim games? I know things have changed a lot since the Sims 1 but one fact remains that the core objectives of the game have not.

I don't dislike that you introduce time limited things into the game, but as someone who has played the Sims from the start wants to achieve everything for our little Sim people. And when you don't re-introduce those time limited things again they are lost and to me I personally feel I have missed out and therefore not keen to play.

I wonder if some of you are focused on what many of the real hard core Sim Players want in the game? Or are you trying to lure new younger people into the game with new ideas? New is not bad but you need to keep a balance.

And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot.

I need to feel as like I did over 10 years ago, that my game was so special and I enjoyed it so much that missing a day was a tragedy. Sorry but cant feel that with the Sims 4 although it is a pleasant game to play when I feel like it

SIms 1 was the first PC game I ever got. It came free with my brand new desktop. I don't think we will ever get the quirkiness and uniqueness of the Sims 1 back. I loved Sims 2, it was such a step up from Sims 1, which for me was more rigid, in Sims 2 you could edit the town, make your own community lots. I remember making shopping malls and trailer parks. But Sims 3 is my favourite, it improved on Sims 2 with Create-A-Style and Open World, two things lost in Sims 4. I see Sims 4 as a major step backward for whatever reason EA wants to use as an excuse. Perhaps it's different now then when it first came out, I only bought the base game and was so disappointed and underwhelmed. I maybe could have played it longer than the few days I gave it if we had been able to do at least some of the things we could in Sims 2, like edit the town. I like to build and I like to edit my towns. The Sims 4 is cartoony and silly to me and seems geared towards a much younger gamer.

So I continue playing Sims 3 while hoping for a real sequel in Sims 5. Not holding my breath.
Hermitgirl
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
There are many, many older "hard-core" simmers that enjoy this game. I'm one of them and I know and know of many others also. I think the groups of simmers you surround yourself with and their ideas or focus tend to become what people think of as a majority of players and what they want. Don't count on that being actually reflective of a majority or even the more seasoned simmers among us. There is also nothing wrong with newer simmers enjoying this game and being counted as customers of the franchise, their money.. time and enjoyment counts just as much as any other simmer does, like it or not, and it will count in making future games also.
We all have a difference of opinion on what is good. I'm one of the starting from Sims 1 simmers who absolutely disliked Sims 3. Had to take a break during that time .. and I hope some aspects of what was in that game never return to the series personally. Of course the developers don't work for me so I guess I need to enjoy this iteration while it's in full swing and hope I'll enjoy the next game when it's made.
K4SS1C
7 years ago
I like the old Sims, it's more fun. If EA it's gonna make another Sims the need to do like The Sims Busting Out for GameCube, they have a game mode called Bust Out it's like story mode and The Sims 2 they have a lot of good things to. And I we love to have Online, you pay 50 or 60 dollars for a empty game. Common guys make The Sims great again.
annaliese39
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
I'm also an 'old' simmer and remember the good old days when the sims first came out. I have loved all the sims games since then and I can understand wanting some of the older content/features back. The Sims 2 came out at a time when I still had my childlike wonder and love of everything so it will always have this feeling of nostalgia for me. It took me a while to give The Sims 3 a chance because of that, but once I did, I came to enjoy it despite some bugs. However, as others have already mentioned above, I am loving the Sims 4 and I wouldn't go back now. Perhaps it was lacking some at first, but it has really come a long way since then and long may it continue. I did miss the discs at first, but I have adapted to the times now and appreciate being able to have a new expansion simply at a click. I think I'll always love The Sims. :)
Lonewolf1044
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
I had Sims1 for some time before actually playing it as I buy my games in bulk and it take time for me to get to it. When I started playing it I was like WOW but I saw some negative in it but I still had an good time with it. The game had no predcessor for me to judge it against, All I remember how hard it was to keep the Sims needs met. Now when Sims 2 rolled out I again had Sims 2 but did not play for for some time but when I did I saw how much fun it was even more than Sims1 that became addicted to it I would stop playing it and some minutes later I would go back in. I created soap operas and all in Sims 2. The only thing I found a little negative about Sims 2 was the twilight zone effect you have an quarter of an block and you had to go through multiple loading screens, however I was still captivated by the game and it's abiltiy to create wonderful stories and characters and really create, build your own House.

Then BAM! here comes Sims 3 in which the Devs really allowed you to build, create Sims but went further by allowing users to customize thier creations and not just with the basic colors, you can almost design your home clothes, houses, etc in any color or design you wamt also they done away with loading screens and allowed the user to create thier own worlds. This came at cost to those with weaker machine as it required an lot of processing power and I was glad I did not suffer that fate. I felt Sims 3 lost an part of the quirks revolving arould the Sims themselve but It still was an accomplishment for me and I feel it was more of an Dev inability to properly tweak its program and apply fixes in an timely manner, also I experienced problems caused by the Dev themselves rather than an spec issue

Then comes along Sims 4 which sadly lost of the features that existed in Sims 2 and 3 and had controversy surrounding the nature of the engine that was used. The Dev had supposely used an engine from an failed project instead of building it from scratch. I found the game to be dull and dry and could not play more than 30 minutes. The colors were Bleh and the furniture blocky, the lots are static and now I must wait for EA/Maxis to give me one. Sims 4 for me is not an stellar product and in my eyes will never be. The packs are gimped for performance reasons and controversy will always surround Sims 4 and for me my memories will be always how Sims 4 had so much controversy. There are an few times when I thought Sims 4 was pulling ahead only to let down later like with CL, I was initally pumped to hear we will have apts in CL and than get let down because I will not be able to make my own apts from scratch and also no apts outside of CL what an bummer and that is only one of the let downs. Sims 2 and then Sims 3 will always be on the top of list. :)
Tremayne4260
Hero
7 years ago
"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:
And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot.

As technology advances, so do new ways of storing data. I'm afraid that many computers these days do not come with CD/DVD drives. Mine didn't, but I was able to buy an external CD drive. I still have my Sims 1 and Sims 2 CDs, but sadly neither one will ever install on my computer due to changes in the Operating System that no longer recognize the codes. Am I sad? Sort of. But I still play Sims.

I have to admit that I mainly play Sims 3 these days simply because there is still so much for me to explore in the game.
Lonewolf1044
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
"Tremayne4260;c-16958921" wrote:
"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:
And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot.

As technology advances, so do new ways of storing data. I'm afraid that many computers these days do not come with CD/DVD drives. Mine didn't, but I was able to buy an external CD drive. I still have my Sims 1 and Sims 2 CDs, but sadly neither one will ever install on my computer due to changes in the Operating System that no longer recognize the codes. Am I sad? Sort of. But I still play Sims.

I have to admit that I mainly play Sims 3 these days simply because there is still so much for me to explore in the game.

I agree with you on the aspect of a lot more to discover and I still have an lot to discover in Sims 2 and Sims 3, However in SIms 3 for me I only touched the tip of the Iceberg. Yeah more and more companies even empty cases are designed to go digital upfront. You still can find cases with an 3.25 external bay that you can put in an DVD/Blu-ray drive and when I build those are the only ones I look for. Luckily for me I have all my codes for Sims 1 to Sims 3 and I can still use the codes but these days I do not need to use them as they are registered with Origin and I access my games through Origin now but I am stilll going to hold on those codes. In time as the OS evolves, the game may become inaccessible if the OS does not recognize legacy programs, I call this the degrading effect as technology evolves meaning programs written years ago may not work as it did once before and it does not apply to all programs, however if you have an system from yesteryear it should run that program as it ran when it first came out. The only downer the system cannot be updated software wise.
invisiblgirl
7 years ago
"Goldmoldar;c-16958975" wrote:
"Tremayne4260;c-16958921" wrote:
"PrincessrozeeS;d-955559" wrote:
And another thing I would like to say about downloading. I saw the writing on the wall may years ago when this was mooted in the Sims 2 forum, with downloads v content on a disk. When I have to download something from origin on a Sim game it often takes over an hour. Content on a CD disk used to take 10 minutes at most. Now I have to wait for my download before can play. That has put me off a lot.

As technology advances, so do new ways of storing data. I'm afraid that many computers these days do not come with CD/DVD drives. Mine didn't, but I was able to buy an external CD drive. I still have my Sims 1 and Sims 2 CDs, but sadly neither one will ever install on my computer due to changes in the Operating System that no longer recognize the codes. Am I sad? Sort of. But I still play Sims.

I have to admit that I mainly play Sims 3 these days simply because there is still so much for me to explore in the game.

I agree with you on the aspect of a lot more to discover and I still have an lot to discover in Sims 2 and Sims 3, However in SIms 3 for me I only touched the tip of the Iceberg. Yeah more and more companies even empty cases are designed to go digital upfront. You still can find cases with an 3.25 external bay that you can put in an DVD/Blu-ray drive and when I build those are the only ones I look for. Luckily for me I have all my codes for Sims 1 to Sims 3 and I can still use the codes but these days I do not need to use them as they are registered with Origin and I access my games through Origin now but I am stilll going to hold on those codes. In time as the OS evolves, the game may become inaccessible if the OS does not recognize legacy programs, I call this the degrading effect as technology evolves meaning programs written years ago may not work as it did once before and it does not apply to all programs, however if you have an system from yesteryear and it stilll runs that program will run as intended.

I haven't tried to reinstall any of the old Sims games (Origin does recognise my S3 game, if I wanted to reload that), but I can't play Creatures 2 anymore. Someone released an online version that is compatible with Windows 7 +, but it doesn't work with my custom content, so it's not really playable.

From an environmental and cost perspective, discs don't make sense. It costs more for a company to produce a physical disk and packaging, and they lose money if they produce more than they can sell. From an environmental standpoint, I'm totally in favour of reducing both energy and resources used in production, as well as waste on the other side. There is another hidden plus for gamemakers - they might be able to sell a recoded game thirty years down the road to nostalgia fans who want to play games from their childhood. (A number of 80s console games have been brought back that way.)

There are some advantages to letting Origin manage everything. I no longer have to make sure I've got the CD code when I buy a new computer, and I really like not having to keep the Sims disc in my drive all the time. (I do have a CD drive, and for some things, like the extended cut from favourite films - LOTR! - I like to have the discs. That will probably change as download times get faster and we have more storage available.) Another argument against CDs is that they do degrade over time, especially the older ones. I transferred my entire music collection to my external drive (and to the cloud) after discovering that some CDs I'd purchased in the early 90s were already unplayable.