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A1: As others said, it would fit in well with ROM.
A2: Crocheting, being made of knots and holes, makes the ugliest and most impractical things, if what you wanted was warm, and soft, and stretchy. Ugly Afghans are always at Goodwill for just cause. Where crochet shines is limited to macrame (plant holders from the 70s that might look fresh by now), doilies (which unlike a thneed, nobody, nobody, NOBODY needs!) and crocheted lace, which requires such fine thread and tiny hook and so much time that it may have made sense for the French nuns credited with its invention, but not many other people these days.
A3: Knitting (yes, I can knit. Scandinavian style, in multiple colors at once, even! Shocked?) requires arm, elbow, and needle room. I think it would be uncomfortable to do at a desk. Whenever I have seen people do it around a table, they generally work in their lap, sometimes supporting the skein or the rest of the work (if it's a sweater or something large) on the table or desk, but that's about it. Generally people knit sort of in their laps, wherever they are seated. So it can be done at a table, but like it's still mostly in your lap.
A4: Fast knitters using the more ergonomic Scandinavian style can work up a baby sweater in a single afternoon, maybe shorter. Booties in a single conversation if it's a good one. Adult sweaters, a week seems reasonable even for a fast knitter if they have anything else they ever need to do all day but sit knitting it. Several weeks to months isn't uncommon esp. if a person puts it by, for a while here and there. I have seen a woman who was my knitting instructor, knit a really nice multicolored sock in a couple of hours, a nice big one for her hubs.
A5: Where would they store their skein of yarn? In their armpit? It would be really hard, as well as uncomfortable as heck, because almost nobody knits for only 10 minutes at a time, and standing stock-still while concentrating on that would cause all kinds of pain, not at all like standing while being free to move. The arms have to be a certain way, so the upper back would ache, and again, where does the skein go? And you periodically have to yank more yarn from the skein. Doing it standing up sounds really awkward!
A6: Scandinavain aka German knitting looks different from English-style (which is also most frequently used in the US) in that you simply slip the yarn from one needle to the other, whereas English-style you have to stop every stitch and wrap it manually around the needle...fast knitters make that look easy, but it's less ergonomic and then if you want to make, say, Scandinavian sweaters with those pretty snowflakes and designs knitted right in? If you learned Scandinavian/German to begin with, you're in luck: you can easily use several colors of yarn at once. If you learned English-style, you have to learn a whole new style. As for teaching/mentoring, based on when I took a class, when the teacher helped me, she sat beside me and knitted to demonstrate, or took my work to show me what she meant, in her hands, or sat next to me to see what I was doing and give verbal instructions occasionally putting her hands on mine while I worked. It was a side-by-side thing.
A7: There is or was, actually a group of (mostly if not entirely) women (but that's totally beside the point, anyone can knit) who used to knit hats and mittens to donate to the public library and other public spaces, for anyone who needed one to simply take, as there were a lot of moms with little kids or babies and toddlers in tow, one or more of whom might have lost a hat or mitten en route, or kids who came in who just didn't have such even though they needed it. I don't know about Etsy.
A8: Lets say a Sim is wearing an awful, itchy sweater that they’re wearing only because somebody gifted it for them. What kind of things would you like to see happen to them? Do you mean the Sim who inflicted it on them, or the sweater itself? In either case, BURN! HAHAHA I would say stick the offending sweater on a scarecrow, but don't donate it to a thrift shop..that's just passing the misery to another victim. The most ecologically friendly thing would be, unravel it and use it to make something non-wearable. Potholders? A small rug?
A9: I got one for ya:
https://i.imgur.com/W7sWjuK.jpg
A10: I think "invite to teach knitting" should be autonomous, kind of like "invite to teach dancing". But no pushy autonomous knit evangelism, please! Maybe go so far as the expert knitter could autonomously "Offer to teach knitting" but then the target Sim can accept or decline?
I usually like more autonomy than the game currently affords, which is why I outsource for extra autonomy. I don't see it as necessary to make knitting, or the teaching of it, any different from any other skill, in how it is treated as far as autonomy goes in the game. I know a Sim can work on skills autonomously, like painting, so choosing to knit autonomously ought not to be different, but teaching it? I could see offering, but the Sim can accept or decline the offer. Knitting being a gendered or age-specific activity is a notion peculiar to recent times and places...in places where a constant supply of knitted woollens were needed by everyone, as a matter of safety and survival due to the cold climate, children started learning to knit (gender irregardless) at around 5 or so, and everyone generally sat knitting in any spare moment they had, in which to do so, regardless of age or gender, because socks, mittens, hats, sweaters, all made of good wool yarn, were needed by everyone. So everyone knew how to knit because it was a basic survival skill, not considered some "lady of leisure" activity. Also repairing holes in knit socks in a way that wouldn't have knots to chafe. Survival skill.
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The early design process is a very fun time for me, and I hope I painted a picture of the sort of questions that get brought up during this development stage. Lemme know what you guys think!
This was fun! I haven't knitted in years, and never did it seriously, just took a class or two because I wanted to know how.
I learned about circular needs, knitted scandinavian mittens in 4 colors using 5 double-pointed bamboo needles, tried to learn how to loosen up, as I was a "tight knitter," and learned that people often have great conversations while knitting, and that it has a soothing spatial/mathematical quality to it, and a rhythm.
I also learned that while Scandinavian/German knitting is more sensible in many regards, it takes a lot more effort to learn to purl easily. The teachers made it look so easy, and I found it so hard. But once one masters it, the ease of being able to slip the loop from one needle to the other without stopping to wrap anything, makes up for it. Also, it is possible to knit back and forth without ever turning your work over, but that takes some mental gymnastics when your pattern has to be reversed in your head every other row, and purl becomes knit and knit becomes purl!
Once I could do it reasonably well, I wasn't really interested in doing it just to do it. I had other things I wanted to do, and I was never good enough to be able to watch TV while knitting...I had to look at my work. But I appreciate that it's both a comforting and practical activity, and also potentially subversive in that it easily accommodates for codes made of zeros and ones, or dots and dashes, because of purl and knit, dropped stitches to make a small hole, and so on.
A2: Crocheting, being made of knots and holes, makes the ugliest and most impractical things, if what you wanted was warm, and soft, and stretchy. Ugly Afghans are always at Goodwill for just cause. Where crochet shines is limited to macrame (plant holders from the 70s that might look fresh by now), doilies (which unlike a thneed, nobody, nobody, NOBODY needs!) and crocheted lace, which requires such fine thread and tiny hook and so much time that it may have made sense for the French nuns credited with its invention, but not many other people these days.
A3: Knitting (yes, I can knit. Scandinavian style, in multiple colors at once, even! Shocked?) requires arm, elbow, and needle room. I think it would be uncomfortable to do at a desk. Whenever I have seen people do it around a table, they generally work in their lap, sometimes supporting the skein or the rest of the work (if it's a sweater or something large) on the table or desk, but that's about it. Generally people knit sort of in their laps, wherever they are seated. So it can be done at a table, but like it's still mostly in your lap.
A4: Fast knitters using the more ergonomic Scandinavian style can work up a baby sweater in a single afternoon, maybe shorter. Booties in a single conversation if it's a good one. Adult sweaters, a week seems reasonable even for a fast knitter if they have anything else they ever need to do all day but sit knitting it. Several weeks to months isn't uncommon esp. if a person puts it by, for a while here and there. I have seen a woman who was my knitting instructor, knit a really nice multicolored sock in a couple of hours, a nice big one for her hubs.
A5: Where would they store their skein of yarn? In their armpit? It would be really hard, as well as uncomfortable as heck, because almost nobody knits for only 10 minutes at a time, and standing stock-still while concentrating on that would cause all kinds of pain, not at all like standing while being free to move. The arms have to be a certain way, so the upper back would ache, and again, where does the skein go? And you periodically have to yank more yarn from the skein. Doing it standing up sounds really awkward!
A6: Scandinavain aka German knitting looks different from English-style (which is also most frequently used in the US) in that you simply slip the yarn from one needle to the other, whereas English-style you have to stop every stitch and wrap it manually around the needle...fast knitters make that look easy, but it's less ergonomic and then if you want to make, say, Scandinavian sweaters with those pretty snowflakes and designs knitted right in? If you learned Scandinavian/German to begin with, you're in luck: you can easily use several colors of yarn at once. If you learned English-style, you have to learn a whole new style. As for teaching/mentoring, based on when I took a class, when the teacher helped me, she sat beside me and knitted to demonstrate, or took my work to show me what she meant, in her hands, or sat next to me to see what I was doing and give verbal instructions occasionally putting her hands on mine while I worked. It was a side-by-side thing.
A7: There is or was, actually a group of (mostly if not entirely) women (but that's totally beside the point, anyone can knit) who used to knit hats and mittens to donate to the public library and other public spaces, for anyone who needed one to simply take, as there were a lot of moms with little kids or babies and toddlers in tow, one or more of whom might have lost a hat or mitten en route, or kids who came in who just didn't have such even though they needed it. I don't know about Etsy.
A8: Lets say a Sim is wearing an awful, itchy sweater that they’re wearing only because somebody gifted it for them. What kind of things would you like to see happen to them? Do you mean the Sim who inflicted it on them, or the sweater itself? In either case, BURN! HAHAHA I would say stick the offending sweater on a scarecrow, but don't donate it to a thrift shop..that's just passing the misery to another victim. The most ecologically friendly thing would be, unravel it and use it to make something non-wearable. Potholders? A small rug?
A9: I got one for ya:
https://i.imgur.com/W7sWjuK.jpg
A10: I think "invite to teach knitting" should be autonomous, kind of like "invite to teach dancing". But no pushy autonomous knit evangelism, please! Maybe go so far as the expert knitter could autonomously "Offer to teach knitting" but then the target Sim can accept or decline?
I usually like more autonomy than the game currently affords, which is why I outsource for extra autonomy. I don't see it as necessary to make knitting, or the teaching of it, any different from any other skill, in how it is treated as far as autonomy goes in the game. I know a Sim can work on skills autonomously, like painting, so choosing to knit autonomously ought not to be different, but teaching it? I could see offering, but the Sim can accept or decline the offer. Knitting being a gendered or age-specific activity is a notion peculiar to recent times and places...in places where a constant supply of knitted woollens were needed by everyone, as a matter of safety and survival due to the cold climate, children started learning to knit (gender irregardless) at around 5 or so, and everyone generally sat knitting in any spare moment they had, in which to do so, regardless of age or gender, because socks, mittens, hats, sweaters, all made of good wool yarn, were needed by everyone. So everyone knew how to knit because it was a basic survival skill, not considered some "lady of leisure" activity. Also repairing holes in knit socks in a way that wouldn't have knots to chafe. Survival skill.
____________________________________________________________________________
The early design process is a very fun time for me, and I hope I painted a picture of the sort of questions that get brought up during this development stage. Lemme know what you guys think!
This was fun! I haven't knitted in years, and never did it seriously, just took a class or two because I wanted to know how.
I learned about circular needs, knitted scandinavian mittens in 4 colors using 5 double-pointed bamboo needles, tried to learn how to loosen up, as I was a "tight knitter," and learned that people often have great conversations while knitting, and that it has a soothing spatial/mathematical quality to it, and a rhythm.
I also learned that while Scandinavian/German knitting is more sensible in many regards, it takes a lot more effort to learn to purl easily. The teachers made it look so easy, and I found it so hard. But once one masters it, the ease of being able to slip the loop from one needle to the other without stopping to wrap anything, makes up for it. Also, it is possible to knit back and forth without ever turning your work over, but that takes some mental gymnastics when your pattern has to be reversed in your head every other row, and purl becomes knit and knit becomes purl!
Once I could do it reasonably well, I wasn't really interested in doing it just to do it. I had other things I wanted to do, and I was never good enough to be able to watch TV while knitting...I had to look at my work. But I appreciate that it's both a comforting and practical activity, and also potentially subversive in that it easily accommodates for codes made of zeros and ones, or dots and dashes, because of purl and knit, dropped stitches to make a small hole, and so on.
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