I have a problem with this game's emotional system on treating sims emotion with it's flawed rating/grading mood. How in the H? can a Sim become happy (any positive emotion) in a decorated room with max motive when their love ones are gone in a day? and they are not very sentimental when they see their love ones grave. It just doesn't really make sense at all, when their emotion keeps changing back as positive to negative; vice versa. I find it extremely awkward to see my sims becoming happy in a moment when they lose a fight when they have the Self-Assured/Hot-Headed trait. How are they even smart sims, when they can't even control their emotion correctly? seriously you get depressed in a wedding while it's a happy moment in life. not only that a child sim can become "uncomfortable" when there's a monster in their bed, why isn't there a Fear/scared emotion when it's suitable? The emotional system is a let down and has a very flawed scoring system that outweigh's certain emotion in favor for another one, with a grading system that overwhelm the mood of a sim. I suggest that certain events that ties with the emotions must be made permanent until time passes. what do you think? Should the developers take a look at the emotions and add in a another crucial emotion (Scared)?

Well, first: If you are scared you feel uncomfortable. The word uncomfortable is just not as specific as you would expect it to be (you are right on that matter). Maybe they will add more emotions with new eps. We will see.However, what you encounter in your game is a consequence of the emotion-system being very flexible and convenient in its outcome. Some simmers won't like it and I can totally understand that because if you don't use it appropriately it can be rather irritating and messed up sometimes. But I, personally have learned to work with 'emotions' and know about the potential for story telling the game provides with them.For example, you plan a wedding and want everybody to become happy - no problem, after all the game gives you the tools to achieve it + you have several possibilities: Whether you decorate nicely, cook certain meals or trigger special interactions with certain sims it's all your choice. Another example: you are at a get together with a group of sims and you want to make them fight/angry at each other. You can do the same. Always, at any time. You have control over the outcome of any conversation or action if you wish, even if your sims are not involved.---Just for the record. The Sims 3 had a similar problem where sims sometimes didn't behave accordingly to their actions they had performed prior:https://youtu.be/IL1X26I_83s?t=471"Trips is very angry with Grace." --> Yet he still decides to kiss her autonomously.

I don't agree that any emotions should be made permanent for a given amount of time. That isn't realistic, either. Even in real life, it's possible for people to be happy even in the worst of times. I do agree that TS4 could handle the emotional effects of such events better, though. I think the moodlets from any major bad event (death of a loved one, breaking up, being cheated on, etc.) should be stronger and have their effects fade gradually. Big negative moodlets like the +5 Sad moodlet that comes from the death of a loved one can be overcome without too much trouble; then they're gone and everything's fine again.To make it more realistic, the response to a Sim losing someone close to them should be something more like this:+10 Sad moodlet for 2 days. They're going to be pretty sad while they're mourning, and it's going to take a lot of positive moodlets to pull them out of that before some time has passed.+5 Sad moodlet for 24h after the first moodlet. The pain of grief is still strong, but it is healing.+2 Sad moodlet for 24h after the second moodlet. They're adjusting okay to life without the one they've lost, and their baseline emotional state is returning to normal.Another touch of realism could be added by allowing a Sim to have a keepsake from someone they've lost, which would give them the option to reminisce and have a chance of giving either a +1 Happy moodlet (from fond memories) or a +1 Sad moodlet (from missing them) for a few hours.I think other major events should have a larger initial impact and a "tapering-off" effect like this as well. I just chose having someone die as an example because that's probably the most devastating thing that can happen to a Sim.

"JasonRMJ;899859" wrote:I have a problem with this game's emotional system on treating sims emotion with it's flawed rating/grading mood. How in the H? can a Sim become happy (any positive emotion) in a decorated room with max motive when their love ones are gone in a day? and they are not very sentimental when they see their love ones grave. It just doesn't really make sense at all, when their emotion keeps changing back as positive to negative; vice versa. I find it extremely awkward to see my sims becoming happy in a moment when they lose a fight when they have the Self-Assured/Hot-Headed trait. How are they even smart sims, when they can't even control their emotion correctly? seriously you get depressed in a wedding while it's a happy moment in life. not only that a child sim can become "uncomfortable" when there's a monster in their bed, why isn't there a Fear/scared emotion when it's suitable? The emotional system is a let down and has a very flawed scoring system that outweigh's certain emotion in favor for another one, with a grading system that overwhelm the mood of a sim. I suggest that certain events that ties with the emotions must be made permanent until time passes. what do you think? Should the developers take a look at the emotions and add in a another crucial emotion (Scared)? Yep! The Emotion Systems is very flawed. It conflicts with the traits and moodlets. I hate the Emotions system. I really do. I think it's overrated.

Please remove "(PSYCHOSIS/MANIA AND DEMENTIA/BIPOLAR)" from the title. It's very misleading and bordering on offensive. Psychosis, mania and bipolar are serious mental illnesses/symptoms of mental illnesses and have nothing to do with this game. Dementia is a serious illness that has nothing to do with this game.Other than that, I agree that the emotions system is totally wonky.

"HalloMolli;15197359" wrote:Well, first: If you are scared you feel uncomfortable. The word uncomfortable is just not as specific as you would expect it to be (you are right on that matter). Maybe they will add more emotions with new eps. We will see.However, what you encounter in your game is a consequence of the emotion-system being very flexible and convenient in its outcome. Some simmers won't like it and I can totally understand that because if you don't use it appropriately it can be rather irritating and messed up sometimes. But I, personally have learned to work with 'emotions' and know about the potential for story telling the game provides with them.For example, you plan a wedding and want everybody to become happy - no problem, after all the game gives you the tools to achieve it + you have several possibilities: Whether you decorate nicely, cook certain meals or trigger special interactions with certain sims it's all your choice. Another example: you are at a get together with a group of sims and you want to make them fight/angry at each other. You can do the same. Always, at any time. You have control over the outcome of any conversation or action if you wish, even if your sims are not involved.---Just for the record. The Sims 3 had a similar problem where sims sometimes didn't behave accordingly to their actions they had performed prior:https://youtu.be/IL1X26I_83s?t=471"Trips is very angry with Grace." --> Yet he still decides to kiss her autonomously.I don't consider what you describe using emotions 'appropriately' at all, decorating rooms and cooking meals. And I in fact love that video you're sharing there. As I understand it the female is evil? I never had this happening in my game, when they're angry it's always hard to make them be friendly with each other again. I never play evil sims though. What I'm seeing there is sims reacting to each other, not decoration or meals or hot showers or their own emotions. Even though it may seem inconsistent (they're fighting and then suddenly he kisses her), it's emotions based on what the other sim does. It's exactly this kind of unexpected behaviour in the game that leads me in unexpected directions and makes the game unpredictable, surprising, challenging.

Let's talk about the flawed emotion system

florathorns
9 years ago
I take really good care of my sims and they always stay happy. Having just your needs met shouldnt boost emotions. Thats my one problem with the whole emotion thing.
JasonRMJ
9 years ago
"Pmike16;15201901" wrote:
Agreed. Emotions is one of the most celebrated "additions", and even that they can't implement well. But hey, at least CAS is tactile and intuitive.

The most celebrated, but extremely ignored...
astridentanja
9 years ago
"Sk8rblaze;15201869" wrote:
"Goodywood;15197959" wrote:
"JasonRMJ;899859" wrote:
I have a problem with this game's emotional system on treating sims emotion with it's flawed rating/grading mood. How in the H? can a Sim become happy (any positive emotion) in a decorated room with max motive when their love ones are gone in a day? and they are not very sentimental when they see their love ones grave. It just doesn't really make sense at all, when their emotion keeps changing back as positive to negative; vice versa. I find it extremely awkward to see my sims becoming happy in a moment when they lose a fight when they have the Self-Assured/Hot-Headed trait. How are they even smart sims, when they can't even control their emotion correctly? seriously you get depressed in a wedding while it's a happy moment in life. not only that a child sim can become "uncomfortable" when there's a monster in their bed, why isn't there a Fear/scared emotion when it's suitable?

The emotional system is a let down and has a very flawed scoring system that outweigh's certain emotion in favor for another one, with a grading system that overwhelm the mood of a sim.

I suggest that certain events that ties with the emotions must be made permanent until time passes. what do you think? Should the developers take a look at the emotions and add in a another crucial emotion (Scared)?

Yep! The Emotion Systems is very flawed. It conflicts with the traits and moodlets. I hate the Emotions system. I really do. I think it's overrated.

I wish they would try to make it a bit more fun to play around with in a future patch. As of now, years later with packs which have absolutely no relevance to emotions, it just seems like they aren't paying much attention to it anymore. Maybe they are, and it's just so minimal that I haven't noticed, such as small moodlet effects.

I think it could definitely be revised into a system that is more fun and engaging to experiment with.

That's a very sharp observation and for me an eye opener even! Considering how much the emotions in the game were presented as the new and most essential feature, it has been totally neglected ever since. Nothing new is added as far as I know, no new gameplay surrounding them.
HalloMolli
9 years ago
"Pmike16;15201901" wrote:
Agreed. Emotions is one of the most celebrated "additions", and even that they can't implement well. But hey, at least CAS is tactile and intuitive.

It - the eomotion system - works well and therefore as intended. Don't see a problem here.
astridentanja
9 years ago
"HalloMolli;15202322" wrote:
"Pmike16;15201901" wrote:
Agreed. Emotions is one of the most celebrated "additions", and even that they can't implement well. But hey, at least CAS is tactile and intuitive.

It - the eomotion system - works well and therefore as intended. Don't see a problem here.

They implemented the vampires in Sims 3 as intended, meaning that they planned townies to turn into ones autonomously. I don't think many simmers thought they implemented them 'well' that way though, it got irritating quite fast. Implementing features as intended isn't automatically the same thing as implementing them well. I think they overlooked things when they came up with the 'emotions as gameplay' idea as far as many simmers are concerned. For many people sims should react to major events, events they can relate to (death, being cheated on, not taking a particular shower or being in a room with an item that happens to have an 'aura'). And simmers also want their sims to remember things, emotions shouldn't be very temporary buffs that mean nothing and aren't aimed at particular sims. When my sim in Sims 4 is tense, they will react tense and unfriendly towards everyone. When my sim in 2 or 3 is mad at someone, they will only be unfriendly to that person, not to anyone. I had a sim in 3 who was mad at my sim and she refused to dance with him (two days after he had suggested to just be friends). Instead she started dancing with someone else. That's how I want emotions to be handled.
JasonRMJ
9 years ago
I remember while I was playing Sims 2 and I didn't know the squeeze interaction is a romantic action and I click it anyway thinking it was a friendly interaction, until his wife immediately divorce him because it was cheating....
MsPigglyPooh
9 years ago
"HalloMolli;15202364" wrote:
Sims in TS4 do react to major events, if that does not happen in your game chances are high you are experiencing a bug.

But I agree it would be cool if it was possible to connect emotions to particular sims in certain situations. Sometimes it would really make sense.

Yes they may react to major events but for how long? Or to add will they remember it? I purposely kept an urn of a sims parent around just so she could get sad every once in a while about her parents death. Just to give the idea that she remembered her parent died. If I hadnt done that once the sad emotion left she would of forgotten her parent completely. And moved on as if it never happened.
astridentanja
9 years ago
"MzPigglyPooh;15202876" wrote:
"JoAnne65;15202344" wrote:
"HalloMolli;15202322" wrote:
"Pmike16;15201901" wrote:
Agreed. Emotions is one of the most celebrated "additions", and even that they can't implement well. But hey, at least CAS is tactile and intuitive.

It - the eomotion system - works well and therefore as intended. Don't see a problem here.

They implemented the vampires in Sims 3 as intended, meaning that they planned townies to turn into ones autonomously. I don't think many simmers thought they implemented them 'well' that way though, it got irritating quite fast. Implementing features as intended isn't automatically the same thing as implementing them well. I think they overlooked things when they came up with the 'emotions as gameplay' idea as far as many simmers are concerned. For many people sims should react to major events, events they can relate to (death, being cheated on, not taking a particular shower or being in a room with an item that happens to have an 'aura'). And simmers also want their sims to remember things, emotions shouldn't be very temporary buffs that mean nothing and aren't aimed at particular sims. When my sim in Sims 4 is tense, they will react tense and unfriendly towards everyone. When my sim in 2 or 3 is mad at someone, they will only be unfriendly to that person, not to anyone. I had a sim in 3 who was mad at my sim and she refused to dance with him (two days after he had suggested to just be friends). Instead she started dancing with someone else. That's how I want emotions to be handled.

I agree... I am actually one of those people who gets irritated when my town is fully of way too many vampires or supernaturals (as much as I enjoy them). My sims when to college and it was,like hogwarts in harry potter! It was FULL of supernaturals. Lole No humans at all except for her and a sprinkle of others and by graduation that had got worse, her professor had turned into one and a bunch of her roommates lol. I was like whats going on! Thats being said I get what you mean. The idea of the emotion system is brilliant imo. But was it implemented to its full potential well no. I dont think it was.

That was your own fault :p University was released March 2013, disabling supernaturals came with patch 38, August 2012.
MsPigglyPooh
9 years ago
"JoAnne65;15202906" wrote:
"MzPigglyPooh;15202876" wrote:
"JoAnne65;15202344" wrote:
"HalloMolli;15202322" wrote:
"Pmike16;15201901" wrote:
Agreed. Emotions is one of the most celebrated "additions", and even that they can't implement well. But hey, at least CAS is tactile and intuitive.

It - the eomotion system - works well and therefore as intended. Don't see a problem here.

They implemented the vampires in Sims 3 as intended, meaning that they planned townies to turn into ones autonomously. I don't think many simmers thought they implemented them 'well' that way though, it got irritating quite fast. Implementing features as intended isn't automatically the same thing as implementing them well. I think they overlooked things when they came up with the 'emotions as gameplay' idea as far as many simmers are concerned. For many people sims should react to major events, events they can relate to (death, being cheated on, not taking a particular shower or being in a room with an item that happens to have an 'aura'). And simmers also want their sims to remember things, emotions shouldn't be very temporary buffs that mean nothing and aren't aimed at particular sims. When my sim in Sims 4 is tense, they will react tense and unfriendly towards everyone. When my sim in 2 or 3 is mad at someone, they will only be unfriendly to that person, not to anyone. I had a sim in 3 who was mad at my sim and she refused to dance with him (two days after he had suggested to just be friends). Instead she started dancing with someone else. That's how I want emotions to be handled.

I agree... I am actually one of those people who gets irritated when my town is fully of way too many vampires or supernaturals (as much as I enjoy them). My sims when to college and it was,like hogwarts in harry potter! It was FULL of supernaturals. Lole No humans at all except for her and a sprinkle of others and by graduation that had got worse, her professor had turned into one and a bunch of her roommates lol. I was like whats going on! Thats being said I get what you mean. The idea of the emotion system is brilliant imo. But was it implemented to its full potential well no. I dont think it was.

That was your own fault :p University was released March 2013, disabling supernaturals came with patch 38, August 2012.

I found that out the hard way lol Now I know when I play to limit the supernaturals because they can get out of control
Meka3211
Rising Newcomer
9 years ago
My issue with the emotion system is that the moods change too easily. & I've said it in other threads, everything is 'happy, happy'. My Sim just caught her spouse cheating. She get hits with the jealousy moodlet for 24 hours, but something over powers it & 2 seconds later she can have a happy conversation with him. Or if my Sim gets into a fight, he'll be angry for a minute, but 2 seconds later can have a happy conversation with the person that just beat him up. I get a bit frustrated with this, as I want the emotions and their moods to stick. I hate to go back to another game, but look at TS2. If a Sim got caught cheating, there was no way you could have a 'happy' conversation with them; it wasn't happening. They would have 'fury' & there was a cool off period before you could even have a pleasant convo with them. I'm not sure what needs to happen in TS4 , but I'd like to see more consequences & some of the 'negative' emotions stick for a more in depth game play experience.