LGR Nifty Knitting Review

"logion;c-17597090" wrote:

"SimAlexandria;c-17597039" wrote:

"DoodlyDoofus;c-17597028" wrote:

"SimmerGeorge;c-17595853" wrote:

"telmarina;c-17595449" wrote:
I love LGR's reviews. He's funny. But i don't always agree with him. And this is one of this times...

I think NK has more in it than most of the other stuff packs. A skill, an aspiration, a new way of selling crafts, a new radio station with new animations, bb and a lot of cas (even most being connected to the skill).

It looks like LGR doesn't like sims 4 and he sounds tired. But it was actually the first time that i think he wasn't fair. Is knitting niche? Well most of the skills are. Does looking at your sim knitting is boring? Well looking at him cooking or fishing or dj'ing or programing is also boring. It is if you concentrate in the skill and you don't integrate it into a story...

Also like someone said before sims 4 doesn't have a store like 3 had. So, it's normal to have 17 stuff packs by now. Premium objects in the store were also niche, expensive and there were tons of it...

And this is coming from someone that didn't vote in knitting. I'ld prefer happy haunts everyday.

@telmarina this is exactly what I meant with seeing things from an outsiders perspective.

This is a DLC about knitting. It is simply about this one skill and it had like 3 animations in it. Imagine if DJing or fishing all had there own DLC...
Also it's not about quantity, it's the quality. The aspiration is again just a walkthrough for the pack and not an actual aspiration.
But these are just the standards we have as a community. We do buy DLCs dedicated just to a single skill with 3 animations and we even defend them. Those are the standards of a Simmer. If you look at any other game community you will see they all laugh at our low standards and our commitment to buying a pack fully dedicated to knitting. Other gamers don't put up with this stuff, just Simmers, and I think this is LGR's point.

Another sign of this is saying that 17 stuff packs are "normal". It doesn't matter if they are just on the store or normal packs 17 is just too many. But Simmers are they only people who will defend a game with 17 stuff packs. An outsider wouldn't and LGR wouldn't.
But these are the times we live in. Defending EA for delivering a stuff pack with 3 animations a skill and 2466 recolours of the same item.

That and if you want to look at it, The Simmers are really the only community out there that defends spending $700 for a single game. Look at The Sims games on Steam and you'll see a lot of people trying to get into Sims but see the price of all the packs and go "Yeah this is a fun game and all, but no game is worth $700."

No, it's not. If you think Sims are expensive go look up what people spend on the Flight Simulator series where people buy one single airplane for $80, let alone the game and the rest of them. WAY more. Less sales. Other games people spend $100 on one skin, etc. There's definitely games that cost more than the Sims. There's also games that cost a lot less.

Of course, Sims can cost a lot less too if you don't buy alll the packs. Or wait for sales. But lets' go with the $700 number and it still depends on how much you are going to play it. If these same people spend $700 on 10 other games instead, is that really any different? Yes they have 10 games instead of 1, I get that, but time is a big factor here. There's only 24 hours a day and assuming most people don't spent their entire day on games, you are still spending $700 for a set amount of game play time. If you want to divide that time between 10 games, or spend more time on one game, it's all gonna work out to be the same price in the end.

Some people might want Sims PLUS other games, and yeah thats gonna be a lot if they need all the packs at full price. Others might ONLY play Sims. Some buy gradually over many years, to jump into it at full price all in one go it's a lot. $700 spent over 6 years for someone who only plays the one game and spends a lot of time on it... I mean that's a bit over $100 a year and not that bad. It's very subjective to the individual if it's a lot, but yeah if they re saying that it's the only game where people spend that much money, they are just outright wrong whether that's a large or small amount to them.

I play a lot of other games and for me it really comes down to how much enjoyment I get from the pack. It is easy to justify a purchase of a new game, you get so much more than you get compared to a few packs for the sims4. But if I really like those packs, then I might even get the same enjoyment as a new game, it depends on how fun I end up having with them.

But that enjoyment goes down the longer this game is out, and this game has been out for almost 6 years now and it is becoming harder for me to buy DLC for the sims4, especially when other game franchises are really stepping up. (which is why I suspect LGR's review was so critical)

I think it is really hard for someone who does not play the sims4 a lot to buy packs for $700 and that's why a lot of people wonder why we simmers put up with it, even if they are spending the same amount of money (or even more) on new games.

I'm more the opposite, I prefer playing games long term. I have tried getting new games but return to old ones as I don't like the learning curve of a new ones and honestly the main thing is I just miss the old familiar. I'm much more excited about a new pack than a new game anytime and I know I'll get many years more enjoyment out of a new pack than I would a new game that just isn't the game for me. But yeah, I get it, everyone is different. Personally I don't even start new SAVE files in Sims, let alone new games haha. I've been playing the same gen of the same family for 4 years now, aging them SUPER Slowly, over 2000 hours on the same family and I love it just as much as when I started.

But yeah, I get other people who aren't simmers thinking it's a lot, they aren't seeing what's actually going on. There's no way I'd spend $700 on a game up front that I'd never tried to know if I liked it either, not a chance! But if they really looked into it and saw that this price is spread out over many years by people who get thousands of hours of entertainment from it and that most people don't even spend that much because 1) you don't need all the packs and can pick choose and 2 ) THere's sales all the time, I think they'd see that it's actually very reasonable.