LGR Nifty Knitting Review
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"SimmerGeorge;c-17598968" wrote:"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17598913" wrote:"@SimmerGeorge;c-17598871" wrote:
@Simburian You are implying so many things I don't know where to start.
But you know about your most relevant comment.
I already went into why the "I got so many hours out of the game for the money" argument doesn't work.
Also leave other games out of this.
I agree that other games have nothing to do with it.
I don’t agree with this: "I got so many hours out of the game for the money" argument doesn't work.
Some folks invest huge amounts of money in a hobby or on a thing they love. Games. Cars. Shoes. The hairdresser. Antiques. Luxury Beach Holidays. The Theater. Concerts. Merchandise. Vintage Dresses. Make-Up. Para-Gliding. Keeping Animals. Music. Fake Tans. Etc.
If they enjoy it, it’s worth every penny and sometimes more. For them. Because they enjoy it. Not anyone else. They do. The time they spend on that hobby and the enjoyment they get out of it, is worth more than the money they invested in it.
I‘m pretty sure that you’ve already spent way more money on something that I wouldn’t even look at. And the other way around. Unless we are the same person. Which we are not. But you feel that the money you spent on that something is worth every penny. Or even more perhaps. Meanwhile I’ve spent that same amount of money on something you may think is utterly ridiculous. And I don’t blame you. But it keeps me entertained, so I’m glad I invested in it.
There’s really no argument in what people like to spend their money on and how much they think it’s worth it for them. Unless it’s obviously hurting them (or others), but that’s a different conversation.
@CAPTAIN_NXR7 Again we are talking about the individual product here, not the investment you make in a hobby because that is very different and can't be compared.
But let's take a hobby for example. Let's take reading books. You might find a novel that you absolutely love and spend hundreds of hours reading it again and again and again. Just because you spent so much time on that book doesn't mean it justifies the novel costing for example 130$. It is still just a single book you are buying. If you buy a single novel for 130$ then the author will keep releasing more and more overpriced books.
I am not saying you shouldn't spend hundreds of dollars on your hobby of reading books and buying many different ones. That's your deal.
I am talking about the individual product that you are buying (ex. the price and quality of the individual book or individual pack)
And if course I am aware there are books that cost maybe even thousands of dollars but I think there should always be a noticable difference in quality (materials etc.) or you can't justify the purchase.
It's like buying Harry Potter chapter 1 for 20$ and buying Harry Potter chapter 2 for 40$. Or the other way around buying HP Chapter 1 for 20$ and then chapter 2 is suddenly divided into 2 parts and now you have to buy 2 books for 20$ just to read chapter 2. It's kinda the same thing.
Okay, now here's the thing. I personally find it hard to compare books to PC/Console games. Because there are often many
different publications of one book. The price of the book 'object' varies depending on the quality, size, print, whether it's
illustrated or not, hardcover, paperback, e-book, abridged, unabridged etc. Many different prices for one story.
With a game, you can buy the basic version or the delux version on either pc or console. One standard price. Delux being a
bit more expensive because it includes say, a Tiki bar. That's it. Very little choice.
I have spent a considerable amount of money on books. How did you know? :D
Let's try and compare a book novel series to DLC, but because making choices about content is subjective I will do it from my own POV.
I also spoiler coded it. Somehow it turned into an essay again and I don't want folks having to constantly scroll through my sh.ite. :#
Spoiler
I'm the kind of person who will look for a specific genre, depending on my mood, but I rarely read the Blurb on the back of the
book. I literally judge a book by it's cover and by reading the first page, because I hate spoilers. If I like the way it starts and the writing seems good, I will consider buying it. It's taking a risk. When I don't know anything about the novel, I've made the rule for myself that I will never spend over 20 Euros on a large hardcover or paperback and no more than 10 when it's a small paperback or in rare cases, a kindle version. Because, let's be realistic, these are today's standard prices of a book. 130 Euro? what kind of book is that? But wait...
The quality of the book object itself plays a huge role for me, it's a piece of art, maybe not to others, although I will always go for the better deal if there doesn't seem much difference in quality.
Part II is released.
If I didn't like the book, well, tough luck. I'll leave P2 on the shelves. If I loved P1, I'm quicker to invest more money on the
next release. This time I'll go out of my way to find a nice publication, because stuff needs to look good on my shelf. But wait, like you said,Part Two is split into two parts. Not only that, it's published as two different books and each book is much smaller than the first book, but they're both the same price as P1.
Do I now feel that the price is justified enough to get two pretty (thin) hardcovers for my shelf? Will I wait for a sale, or, if I'm very eager
to read the story, can I do with a paperback or e-book version because I don't want or can't spend that money right now? I've avoided every spoiler so I have no clue how the story will unfold. But at least I have a plethora of choices so I can make my decision based on that.
Say I'll buy the cheaper e-book version because I'm super broke but I want to read. And I find the story is really good. Well I'm the kind of nerd who will probably buy the best quality hardcover version out there at full price afterwards, because I just need it to look good on my shelf. Is there a really really cool 130 Euro version of that book that just takes my breath away? I will probably spend that money if the book had
the ability to fly. Or if it simply looks smashing on my shelf. Yes. I'm that kind of nerd.
With Game DLC....well, I will have to look at the content. Do some research. Is the full price justified? 10,20 & 40 Euro are
standard prices for 3 different tiers of DLC. That's ok with me.
But Content and content is two. I can find the stuff shown in a life stream really interesting. So I may buy it at full price (or wait for a sale).
Personally I can only tell if the price was worth the investment when I look at how much enjoyment I actually got out of that DLC. Like the book. Was it good in the end? Was it worth 10, 20, 40 Euros? For me it's an afterward thought.
I paid 40 euros for Get Famous. Hardly use most of the content. I think the celebrity system is very good. But I never use it. I usually get rid of all the celebrities and I can't stand Judith Ward. Poor woman. It's my least favorite pack.
I paid 20 for Jungle Adventure, but I enjoy digging in the dirt a lot more than being a celebrity. Yes, it probably says more about
me than the game, but that's just the thing. I might as well have spent 55 Euros on Jungle Adventures and 5 on Get Famous. Luckily It balances itself out. But that's how I feel about it. Maybe someone else doesn't and will call me dense. Digging in the dirt? Fool.
Of course I would be happier to pay 40 Euros on Jungle Adventure if it contained proper Quests and brain teasers like in TS3 WA.
But I don't have an archaeology and culture skill or a Jungle in WA. And I really like that.
Should quests and brain teasers have been part of the JA Gamepack? Yes! But hey, I still find myself enjoying the content of that pack regardless, even after many years. So after all that, am I happy I got it for the price I paid. Yes.
Am I wrong or am I stupid?
book. I literally judge a book by it's cover and by reading the first page, because I hate spoilers. If I like the way it starts and the writing seems good, I will consider buying it. It's taking a risk. When I don't know anything about the novel, I've made the rule for myself that I will never spend over 20 Euros on a large hardcover or paperback and no more than 10 when it's a small paperback or in rare cases, a kindle version. Because, let's be realistic, these are today's standard prices of a book. 130 Euro? what kind of book is that? But wait...
The quality of the book object itself plays a huge role for me, it's a piece of art, maybe not to others, although I will always go for the better deal if there doesn't seem much difference in quality.
Part II is released.
If I didn't like the book, well, tough luck. I'll leave P2 on the shelves. If I loved P1, I'm quicker to invest more money on the
next release. This time I'll go out of my way to find a nice publication, because stuff needs to look good on my shelf. But wait, like you said,Part Two is split into two parts. Not only that, it's published as two different books and each book is much smaller than the first book, but they're both the same price as P1.
Do I now feel that the price is justified enough to get two pretty (thin) hardcovers for my shelf? Will I wait for a sale, or, if I'm very eager
to read the story, can I do with a paperback or e-book version because I don't want or can't spend that money right now? I've avoided every spoiler so I have no clue how the story will unfold. But at least I have a plethora of choices so I can make my decision based on that.
Say I'll buy the cheaper e-book version because I'm super broke but I want to read. And I find the story is really good. Well I'm the kind of nerd who will probably buy the best quality hardcover version out there at full price afterwards, because I just need it to look good on my shelf. Is there a really really cool 130 Euro version of that book that just takes my breath away? I will probably spend that money if the book had
the ability to fly. Or if it simply looks smashing on my shelf. Yes. I'm that kind of nerd.
With Game DLC....well, I will have to look at the content. Do some research. Is the full price justified? 10,20 & 40 Euro are
standard prices for 3 different tiers of DLC. That's ok with me.
But Content and content is two. I can find the stuff shown in a life stream really interesting. So I may buy it at full price (or wait for a sale).
Personally I can only tell if the price was worth the investment when I look at how much enjoyment I actually got out of that DLC. Like the book. Was it good in the end? Was it worth 10, 20, 40 Euros? For me it's an afterward thought.
I paid 40 euros for Get Famous. Hardly use most of the content. I think the celebrity system is very good. But I never use it. I usually get rid of all the celebrities and I can't stand Judith Ward. Poor woman. It's my least favorite pack.
I paid 20 for Jungle Adventure, but I enjoy digging in the dirt a lot more than being a celebrity. Yes, it probably says more about
me than the game, but that's just the thing. I might as well have spent 55 Euros on Jungle Adventures and 5 on Get Famous. Luckily It balances itself out. But that's how I feel about it. Maybe someone else doesn't and will call me dense. Digging in the dirt? Fool.
Of course I would be happier to pay 40 Euros on Jungle Adventure if it contained proper Quests and brain teasers like in TS3 WA.
But I don't have an archaeology and culture skill or a Jungle in WA. And I really like that.
Should quests and brain teasers have been part of the JA Gamepack? Yes! But hey, I still find myself enjoying the content of that pack regardless, even after many years. So after all that, am I happy I got it for the price I paid. Yes.
Am I wrong or am I stupid?
