Moonwood Mills Discussion Thread

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-18123252" wrote:
But besides that, I still wish the world had more lots. The old "it's a GP, and other occults didn't get bigger worlds" argument doesn't fly with me because I was never happy with those being so small either, although I guess Vampires can be forgiven because it was the first GP to even introduce a residential world. We've been conditioned to think of five lots as an acceptable standard when it should be the bare minimum. I'm not a game designer, so maybe someone could enlighten me, but is adding just a few more lots really that difficult and/or time-consuming? They might as well leave them empty for us to build on if they don't want to do it themselves, most of the pre-built houses suck anyway, but it would make it so much easier for players to build up the societies they want in a given world without having to resettle half of their families to other too small worlds, going completely without public lots, or both.

I have wondered the same thing before. Why do they make the world small, and why can't we add lots like we have been doing in past sims games for so long? I am not a game developer, so I can only guess, and I wonder if anyone has better insight on this. But I have pondered if it may have something to do with how they designed 4 with an open neighborhood but closed lots. So in order to place a lot in Sims 2, there was no neighborhood, so no problem, then in Sims 3, everything was open, so easy again. Plus the games used to be designed with creating your world in mind from the start. But in 4, the neighborhood isn't even actually fully open. It is a neighborhood with one open lot. I think you are actually loading the neighborhood with that lot as a playable extension. So each lot is really the neighborhood, with a different extension attached. If so, I am guessing it takes longer to actually make a lot, because they have to rework the neighborhood for each lot.

This is just a theory obviously. I think most people know by now that Sims 4 was initially made to be an online game, and they scrapped that towards the end. So it doesn't help that the game wasn't made with editing the world in mind like past games. If they hadn't gone that annoying route in the first place we probably would have had the ability to place lots and edit the world.


So yeah, I just assume that placing a lot is more involved than in past games which is why they don't do as many on a game pack, and the only way they could allow us to do it in game would be to redesign the whole system.If it doesn't have something to do with being more time consuming than it would be extremely disappointing.

It bugs me when people say we have plenty of lots now with multiple worlds. That may be so if what you play is sims who all live in the city or suburbia. But lots without paved roads, or even NO roads are extremely limited.

"Tanja1986;c-18125225" wrote:

"Behappy1st;c-18125222" wrote:
? in vampires you have to ask to be changed. How is it going to work with werewolves? Maybe you can only get bit if you go there. So if you don't want your sim to be a werewolf don't go there. Or maybe they can put an item down and any neighborhood you put one in will have the werewolves showing up and a chance for a bite. What do you think?

I personally hope the bites happen autonomically because I am trying to build my new Sims story around that idea. Vampires can bite others in groups when those activities are being allowed on meetings. However with the werewolves rage and fury as well as the idea that they promoted a hunting wolf biting Avelina, I sure hope bites are a thing. If not I hope modders will free the wolves as that is something I also liked about Vampires, being able to bite autonomically.

Thats what I hope to. I.m just worried they will make it like vampires. I never use mods so I have every finger crossed.

"Darkshadow608;c-18125099" wrote:

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-18123252" wrote:
Who knows if the premade wolf packs even occupy any of the lots. Maybe they're just NPCs in Moonwood Mill, similar to the sages of the Magic Realm, and technically homeless until you move them in with your own sims. It would even make sense for them to live in the wild, given that they're werewolves.

But besides that, I still wish the world had more lots. The old "it's a GP, and other occults didn't get bigger worlds" argument doesn't fly with me because I was never happy with those being so small either, although I guess Vampires can be forgiven because it was the first GP to even introduce a residential world. We've been conditioned to think of five lots as an acceptable standard when it should be the bare minimum. I'm not a game designer, so maybe someone could enlighten me, but is adding just a few more lots really that difficult and/or time-consuming? They might as well leave them empty for us to build on if they don't want to do it themselves, most of the pre-built houses suck anyway, but it would make it so much easier for players to build up the societies they want in a given world without having to resettle half of their families to other too small worlds, going completely without public lots, or both.

I sorely miss the Sims 3 feature of choosing a lot, which ever size you like, and placing it anywhere you like on the map.

The way the neighborhoods are set up, it'll never work for sims 4, in my opinion.

I agree it is too late in the game even though it would have been better done just at the beginning of development, to do it now no telling how many errors will occur and would it be worth it. The only thing one can do is go with what you got as those editing tools that were in Sims 3 was never going to be free in Sims 4 or even offered Imo as they saw a potential to make money if they sold neighborhoods in packs going forward and the customer needing space will buy what they put out. The only free neighborhood they given us was back in 2015.

"Chaotic_Moira;c-18125397" wrote:

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-18123252" wrote:
But besides that, I still wish the world had more lots. The old "it's a GP, and other occults didn't get bigger worlds" argument doesn't fly with me because I was never happy with those being so small either, although I guess Vampires can be forgiven because it was the first GP to even introduce a residential world. We've been conditioned to think of five lots as an acceptable standard when it should be the bare minimum. I'm not a game designer, so maybe someone could enlighten me, but is adding just a few more lots really that difficult and/or time-consuming? They might as well leave them empty for us to build on if they don't want to do it themselves, most of the pre-built houses suck anyway, but it would make it so much easier for players to build up the societies they want in a given world without having to resettle half of their families to other too small worlds, going completely without public lots, or both.

I have wondered the same thing before. Why do they make the world small, and why can't we add lots like we have been doing in past sims games for so long? I am not a game developer, so I can only guess, and I wonder if anyone has better insight on this. But I have pondered if it may have something to do with how they designed 4 with an open neighborhood but closed lots. So in order to place a lot in Sims 2, there was no neighborhood, so no problem, then in Sims 3, everything was open, so easy again. Plus the games used to be designed with creating your world in mind from the start. But in 4, the neighborhood isn't even actually fully open. It is a neighborhood with one open lot. I think you are actually loading the neighborhood with that lot as a playable extension. So each lot is really the neighborhood, with a different extension attached. If so, I am guessing it takes longer to actually make a lot, because they have to rework the neighborhood for each lot.

This is just a theory obviously. I think most people know by now that Sims 4 was initially made to be an online game, and they scrapped that towards the end. So it doesn't help that the game wasn't made with editing the world in mind like past games. If they hadn't gone that annoying route in the first place we probably would have had the ability to place lots and edit the world.


So yeah, I just assume that placing a lot is more involved than in past games which is why they don't do as many on a game pack, and the only way they could allow us to do it in game would be to redesign the whole system.If it doesn't have something to do with being more time consuming than it would be extremely disappointing.

It bugs me when people say we have plenty of lots now with multiple worlds. That may be so if what you play is sims who all live in the city or suburbia. But lots without paved roads, or even NO roads are extremely limited.

"It bugs me when people say we have plenty of lots now with multiple worlds. That may be so if what you play is sims who all live in the city or suburbia. But lots without paved roads, or even NO roads are extremely limited." The neighborhoods are small for a reason, and I agree how can you count all the lots in all the neighborhoods and combine them and say that a lot but for me that is not true as I must go to another neighborhood to access that lot and that may not be something I may not want to do as planning may not be done how I want it but it is how EA/Maxis wants me to do it. If they did not plan on giving us any tools at least give us some bigger neighborhoods as more is better than less all the time.

I used to be one of the people who thought there were more than enough lots, back when I only played for fun and didn't really care where my sims lived as long as I liked it there. But that's because I was used to TS2, where sims couldn't go farther in the neighbourhood than the borders of their home lot, and it really didn't matter where that lot was because everywhere looked pretty much the same.

Technically, I'm still not running out of space anytime soon, not even in my very crowded main save. But ever since I started giving every world a specific theme and making sure the venues, architecture and sims living there all matched said theme, I've been very frustrated with how small some worlds are, and the compromises I had to make because of it. So what if the island of Windenburg is barely populated and still has space for some of my vampires, if I want the majority of them to live in the world that was specifically designed for them? Okay then, so let's get rid of the vampire disco to make room for another home lot, but where else do I put the disco now??

The struggle is real, people!

"Behappy1st;c-18125222" wrote:
? in vampires you have to ask to be changed. How is it going to work with werewolves? Maybe you can only get bit if you go there. So if you don't want your sim to be a werewolf don't go there. Or maybe they can put an item down and any neighborhood you put one in will have the werewolves showing up and a chance for a bite. What do you think?

Even if you do get bit and become a werewolf there is an antidote.

"catloverplayer;c-18125750" wrote:

"Behappy1st;c-18125222" wrote:
? in vampires you have to ask to be changed. How is it going to work with werewolves? Maybe you can only get bit if you go there. So if you don't want your sim to be a werewolf don't go there. Or maybe they can put an item down and any neighborhood you put one in will have the werewolves showing up and a chance for a bite. What do you think?

Even if you do get bit and become a werewolf there is an antidote.

I want to get bit. What I'm wondering is if we are going to have to ask like in vampires. I want to be walking along minding my own business when suddenly a creature jumps out of the darkness and bites me. Can we get bit in other worlds? I want to know so much. Hurry up tomorrow and get here so I can watch the livestream.

"Behappy1st;c-18125759" wrote:

I want to get bit. What I'm wondering is if we are going to have to ask like in vampires. I want to be walking along minding my own business when suddenly a creature jumps out of the darkness and bites me. Can we get bit in other worlds? I want to know so much. Hurry up tomorrow and get here so I can watch the livestream.

I want to get bitten too, I did not like that in Vampires my Sims had to ask to be turned. Had to grab mods in order for this to happen autonomously. However if Vampires are added to a club and they have all the abilities activated and they meet, then they would go around a bite Sims. With the mod I have there is a chance of risky bite and you could become a vampire. I wish that what they showed in the trailer is NOT just a marketing scheme but that the wolves actually do hunt and bite Sims if they come along one. My deep desire still is that Greg is a lone evil werewolf who will bite my Sim. That would be my perfect story for my Sim I created.

We have a few different threads devoted to discussing the Werewolf pack. Could we please keep this one focused on the world discussion, as noted in the thread title, Moonwood Mills Discussion?

"GrumpyGlowfish;c-18125595" wrote:
The struggle is real, people!

Yes. Yes it dang well is!

I can survive with Moonwood Mill having just five lots (I'll take what I can get), but it will get filled up very quickly because I don't play with just one household. I create many households and play with many households... and each household is themed to go with my themed worlds/neighbourhoods.

There's plenty of generic cities/towns/suburbs with paved roads, which is great for generic family players, but not so great for anyone who wants to play a variety of themes or occults.

I keep holding out hope that one day they'll make more blank worlds for us to build and live in, to our heart's content. World's with various types of themes and/or ecosystems (desert, forest, coastal, mountainous, tropical, spooky, swampy, wasteland, industrial, downtown, etc).

In the meantime, I guess Henford-On-Bagley will have to suffice as a Moonwood Mill overflow? *shrug*