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7 years ago

My Few Gripes About "Seasons"

I just got the "Seasons" expansion for Christmas by way of a generous Amazon gift card, and I'm quite happy to finally have weather. The rain and snow look pretty nice, and I really like how the leaves slowly fall off of the trees over the course of the fall and the frost on the windows in winter is a nice touch. However, there are a few things in seasons I am not fond of.

1. The Autonomous "Witness First Snow" action is annoying. It causes your sim to actually walk all the way outside of the house to look at the snow...all the way outside. If your sim lives in a tiny shack, not so bad, but if you have a medium/large house, it's super annoying...especially if you're managing several sims at once and you don't catch the sim who's on their way outside until they're just about to hit the stairs! Why can't your sim just go to the nearest window to see the snow like TS2?! Why do they have to trek all the way outside just to see the snow? No. That was a poor design decision, especially because it happens even with Autonomy set to OFF!! No desert for you.

2. The Holiday Activities are kind of lame. If they get a full golden checkmark on at least 3/4 of the holiday activities, they get a happy moodlet. If your sim doesn't spam through at least 3/4 of the holiday activities enough to get a gold checkmark on them, sad moodlet. The worst part is that with the Spooky activity type, I had a family of vampires and had them interacting with each other non-stop, but none of the interactions counted toward a gold checkmark on the activity. What the actual Heck? Yeah...Holidays are pretty weak.

3. The snowball fight animations are slow, limp, and lifeless. I had three Child sims having a snowball fight, thinking it was going to be a cute, funny romp...WRONG! They stand around more than anything, and they move around so slowly, rarely ever throwing a snowball. There's just no action, no dynamism to the whole affair and it's boring to watch! A snowball fight should not be boring to watch! What sort of wrong have you done to your animation team for them to toss out a crummy set of snowball fight animations and go, "Yeah, it's done, here. Just give us our paychecks so we can go home and drink away the pain." Thank goodness I didn't pay full price for this pack with these weak oars snowball fights.

Aside from these complaints, I do like the weather and seasonal effects, and the calendar is very useful, at least, for keeping track of sims' birthdays (an invaluable tool for playing with families) and scheduling parties and vacations in advance. Still, not as good as "Get Together" (still my favorite EP, sorry), but not quite as bad as "City Living" (still disappointed about that thing).

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Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","id":"message:1291601","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":47,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:199691"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291601"},"body":"I just got the \"Seasons\" expansion for Christmas by way of a generous Amazon gift card, and I'm quite happy to finally have weather. The rain and snow look pretty nice, and I really like how the leaves slowly fall off of the trees over the course of the fall and the frost on the windows in winter is a nice touch. However, there are a few things in seasons I am not fond of.

1. The Autonomous \"Witness First Snow\" action is annoying. It causes your sim to actually walk all the way outside of the house to look at the snow...all the way outside. If your sim lives in a tiny shack, not so bad, but if you have a medium/large house, it's super annoying...especially if you're managing several sims at once and you don't catch the sim who's on their way outside until they're just about to hit the stairs! Why can't your sim just go to the nearest window to see the snow like TS2?! Why do they have to trek all the way outside just to see the snow? No. That was a poor design decision, especially because it happens even with Autonomy set to OFF!! No desert for you.

2. The Holiday Activities are kind of lame. If they get a full golden checkmark on at least 3/4 of the holiday activities, they get a happy moodlet. If your sim doesn't spam through at least 3/4 of the holiday activities enough to get a gold checkmark on them, sad moodlet. The worst part is that with the Spooky activity type, I had a family of vampires and had them interacting with each other non-stop, but none of the interactions counted toward a gold checkmark on the activity. What the actual Heck? Yeah...Holidays are pretty weak.

3. The snowball fight animations are slow, limp, and lifeless. I had three Child sims having a snowball fight, thinking it was going to be a cute, funny romp...WRONG! They stand around more than anything, and they move around so slowly, rarely ever throwing a snowball. There's just no action, no dynamism to the whole affair and it's boring to watch! A snowball fight should not be boring to watch! What sort of wrong have you done to your animation team for them to toss out a crummy set of snowball fight animations and go, \"Yeah, it's done, here. Just give us our paychecks so we can go home and drink away the pain.\" Thank goodness I didn't pay full price for this pack with these weak oars snowball fights.

Aside from these complaints, I do like the weather and seasonal effects, and the calendar is very useful, at least, for keeping track of sims' birthdays (an invaluable tool for playing with families) and scheduling parties and vacations in advance. Still, not as good as \"Get Together\" (still my favorite EP, sorry), but not quite as bad as \"City Living\" (still disappointed about that thing).","body@stringLength":"2754","rawBody":"I just got the \"Seasons\" expansion for Christmas by way of a generous Amazon gift card, and I'm quite happy to finally have weather. The rain and snow look pretty nice, and I really like how the leaves slowly fall off of the trees over the course of the fall and the frost on the windows in winter is a nice touch. However, there are a few things in seasons I am not fond of.

1. The Autonomous \"Witness First Snow\" action is annoying. It causes your sim to actually walk all the way outside of the house to look at the snow...all the way outside. If your sim lives in a tiny shack, not so bad, but if you have a medium/large house, it's super annoying...especially if you're managing several sims at once and you don't catch the sim who's on their way outside until they're just about to hit the stairs! Why can't your sim just go to the nearest window to see the snow like TS2?! Why do they have to trek all the way outside just to see the snow? No. That was a poor design decision, especially because it happens even with Autonomy set to OFF!! No desert for you.

2. The Holiday Activities are kind of lame. If they get a full golden checkmark on at least 3/4 of the holiday activities, they get a happy moodlet. If your sim doesn't spam through at least 3/4 of the holiday activities enough to get a gold checkmark on them, sad moodlet. The worst part is that with the Spooky activity type, I had a family of vampires and had them interacting with each other non-stop, but none of the interactions counted toward a gold checkmark on the activity. What the actual Heck? Yeah...Holidays are pretty weak.

3. The snowball fight animations are slow, limp, and lifeless. I had three Child sims having a snowball fight, thinking it was going to be a cute, funny romp...WRONG! They stand around more than anything, and they move around so slowly, rarely ever throwing a snowball. There's just no action, no dynamism to the whole affair and it's boring to watch! A snowball fight should not be boring to watch! What sort of wrong have you done to your animation team for them to toss out a crummy set of snowball fight animations and go, \"Yeah, it's done, here. Just give us our paychecks so we can go home and drink away the pain.\" Thank goodness I didn't pay full price for this pack with these weak oars snowball fights.

Aside from these complaints, I do like the weather and seasonal effects, and the calendar is very useful, at least, for keeping track of sims' birthdays (an invaluable tool for playing with families) and scheduling parties and vacations in advance. Still, not as good as \"Get Together\" (still my favorite EP, sorry), but not quite as bad as \"City Living\" (still disappointed about that thing).","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-12-30T15:22:38.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1291601_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1679},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"I just got the \"Seasons\" expansion for Christmas by way of a generous Amazon gift card, and I'm quite happy to finally have weather. 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\"drake_mccarty;c-16913553\" wrote:
Who puts on their winter coat when you’re cold inside your house?


I always give my sims at least two cold weather outfits: One to wear when it's cold inside, and one for outside, like this:

https://abload.de/img/outdoor84jn1.jpg

Of course, that means I always have to tell them manually which outfit to wear when, and I have no control over it when I meet them as NPCs while playing other sims, but that's still better than seeing them walk around dressed for the Antarctic while indoors.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-13T05:21:54.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-13T05:21:54.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291622","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:104379":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:104379","uid":104379,"login":"Thenyoukissme","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-01-20T03:40:49.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1721239713000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:104379"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291623":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291623","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291623":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:104379"},"id":"message:1291623","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291623,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291623"},"body":"Whats been bugging me most is the cold weather wear. My sim is ALWAYS wearing it. Wish they would change to regular once they come inside.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"138","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-14T21:37:22.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-14T21:37:22.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291623","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:27":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:27","position":38,"name":"New Adventurer","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:113889":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:113889","uid":113889,"login":"BabyCake04","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-11-07T21:15:40.068-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1721239641000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:27"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:113889"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291624":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291624","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291624":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:113889"},"id":"message:1291624","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291624,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291624"},"body":"I feel like the umbrellas work almost like strollers did in the sims 3","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"70","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-14T21:47:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-14T21:47:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291624","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:131645":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:131645","uid":131645,"login":"pagoas","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-07-20T10:18:06.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1721239641000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:131645"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291625":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291625","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291625":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:131645"},"id":"message:1291625","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291625,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291625"},"body":"
\"SimsLovinLycan;d-953561\" wrote:
I just got the \"Seasons\" expansion for Christmas by way of a generous Amazon gift card, and I'm quite happy to finally have weather. The rain and snow look pretty nice, and I really like how the leaves slowly fall off of the trees over the course of the fall and the frost on the windows in winter is a nice touch. However, there are a few things in seasons I am not fond of.

1. The Autonomous \"Witness First Snow\" action is annoying. It causes your sim to actually walk all the way outside of the house to look at the snow...all the way outside. If your sim lives in a tiny shack, not so bad, but if you have a medium/large house, it's super annoying...especially if you're managing several sims at once and you don't catch the sim who's on their way outside until they're just about to hit the stairs! Why can't your sim just go to the nearest window to see the snow like TS2?! Why do they have to trek all the way outside just to see the snow? No. That was a poor design decision, especially because it happens even with Autonomy set to OFF!! No desert for you.

2. The Holiday Activities are kind of lame. If they get a full golden checkmark on at least 3/4 of the holiday activities, they get a happy moodlet. If your sim doesn't spam through at least 3/4 of the holiday activities enough to get a gold checkmark on them, sad moodlet. The worst part is that with the Spooky activity type, I had a family of vampires and had them interacting with each other non-stop, but none of the interactions counted toward a gold checkmark on the activity. What the actual Heck? Yeah...Holidays are pretty weak.

3. The snowball fight animations are slow, limp, and lifeless. I had three Child sims having a snowball fight, thinking it was going to be a cute, funny romp...WRONG! They stand around more than anything, and they move around so slowly, rarely ever throwing a snowball. There's just no action, no dynamism to the whole affair and it's boring to watch! A snowball fight should not be boring to watch! What sort of wrong have you done to your animation team for them to toss out a crummy set of snowball fight animations and go, \"Yeah, it's done, here. Just give us our paychecks so we can go home and drink away the pain.\" Thank goodness I didn't pay full price for this pack with these weak oars snowball fights.

Aside from these complaints, I do like the weather and seasonal effects, and the calendar is very useful, at least, for keeping track of sims' birthdays (an invaluable tool for playing with families) and scheduling parties and vacations in advance. Still, not as good as \"Get Together\" (still my favorite EP, sorry), but not quite as bad as \"City Living\" (still disappointed about that thing).


Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would not be happy with this pack. Guess I'll give this one a wide berth.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-01-15T06:48:57.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-15T06:48:57.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291625","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:30":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:30","position":41,"name":"New Scout","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:170467":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:170467","uid":170467,"login":"Ayvid_Reader","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-10-11T12:19:54.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1721239561000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:30"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:170467"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291626":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291626","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291626":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:170467"},"id":"message:1291626","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291626,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291626"},"body":"
\"Bagoas77;c-16916005\" wrote:


Thanks for the review. Sounds like I would not be happy with this pack. Guess I'll give this one a wide berth.


I dunno I feel it adds so much to the game. You may wanna watch a couple of Youtube reviews of the pack. I love the holidays myself. I don't feel I'm spamming anything. It sucks the vampire thing didn't work out, but just like IRL holidays get repetitive.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-16T08:11:49.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-16T08:11:49.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291626","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:59661":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:59661","uid":59661,"login":"TheGreatGorlon","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-03-23T21:23:23.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:59661"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291627":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291627","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291627":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:59661"},"id":"message:1291627","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291627,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291627"},"body":"I wish the snowball/water balloon fights had been like they were in TS3 (or was it 2?) where it was done with the snowball fort/waterballon fort. Sure, it wasn't as impulse friendly as just grabbing a ball and chucking it, but because it was locked to a specific item, it had it's own interactions and designated fight space so they could have a more in depth animation for it.

As for City Living, I'm not exactly sure why you thought it was disappointing. I personally find it very fun! It added so much content, like apartments, lot traits, and singing skills, as well as the multiple food trucks with cool recipes your Sim can learn and collect. Plus, the festivals are pretty fun and add a bit of life to the game. I think it was a very well done pack, and added so much character to the game. Though, like others have mentioned, I've been hesitant to get Seasons because of the horror stories I've read about how weather can mess up some of the festivals - like the rain breaking all the stuff at GeekCon.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-16T08:41:16.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-16T08:41:16.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291627","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291628":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291628","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291628":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:199691"},"id":"message:1291628","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291628,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291628"},"body":"
\"TheGreatGorlon;c-16917290\" wrote:
As for City Living, I'm not exactly sure why you thought it was disappointing. I personally find it very fun! It added so much content, like apartments, lot traits, and singing skills, as well as the multiple food trucks with cool recipes your Sim can learn and collect. Plus, the festivals are pretty fun and add a bit of life to the game. I think it was a very well done pack, and added so much character to the game. Though, like others have mentioned, I've been hesitant to get Seasons because of the horror stories I've read about how weather can mess up some of the festivals - like the rain breaking all the stuff at GeekCon.


Well, for one, not being able to build apartment buildings of my own. That's been really fun for me in TS2, and the lack of the feature in TS4 was a disappointment. It's one I could have lived with if it weren't for the fact that apartment neighbors are constantly noisy...like, basically every night, kicking up a ruckus and waking everyone up! I've lived in apartment buildings, neighbors inside the building are rarely that noisy. Neighbors hanging out in the outdoor areas around the house with their stinking car stereos cranked up to max and screaming their private conversations at the top of their lungs in the streets, incredibly noisy and annoying. Indoors? Amazingly, they mostly behave. Then, when a festival is in your sim's neighborhood, the 3x super speed mode no longer works, making overnights and the times when your sim is away at work/school unbearably slow to wait through. Those two problems combined make living in apartments barely playable. Since most of the city lots are in apartment buildings, that makes living in the city barely playable...which makes the core premise of the pack barely playable! So, basically, \"City Living\" is a pack that is only really enjoyable if your sims live like a large portion of middle-class Americans: Live in the 'burbs and enjoy all of the things that the existence of cities generates, and visit the city when there's something you either need or want to do there. It's just plain broken.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-16T10:08:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-16T10:08:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291628","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:112141":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:112141","uid":112141,"login":"eschwans","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-01-16T18:28:07.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:112141"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291629":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291629","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291629":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:112141"},"id":"message:1291629","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291629,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291629"},"body":"> @michelei said:
> I love seasons but I agree some things should have been done differently. I am not a fan of all the dead looking plants and I still do not understand the decision to make the leaf piles smelly and rotting. The snowball fights are so bad I feel it should not have been included in the game at all in its half finished state. I do still really love this pack though.

I think that, while the piles are super annoying and the interactions with the features the pack brings is limited, there are SO MANY FEATURES that I can't be too upset about it.

But as a Gardening fan...why no fun grafting?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"209","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2019-01-16T19:24:16.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-16T19:24:16.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291629","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291630":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291630","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291630":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:112141"},"id":"message:1291630","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291630,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291630"},"body":"> @GrumpyGlowfish said:
> drake_mccarty wrote: »
>
> Who puts on their winter coat when you’re cold inside your house?
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>
>
>
> I always give my sims at least two cold weather outfits: One to wear when it's cold inside, and one for outside, like this:
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> Of course, that means I always have to tell them manually which outfit to wear when, and I have no control over it when I meet them as NPCs while playing other sims, but that's still better than seeing them walk around dressed for the Antarctic while indoors.

I do that, too! I wish there were a way to copy over outfits from one category to the next--kind of like copying over traits for Vampire sims...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"230","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2019-01-16T19:25:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2019-01-16T19:25:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1291601/message:1291630","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:21020":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:21020","uid":21020,"login":"drake_mccarty","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-08-02T20:53:49.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1721239691000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:21020"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291631":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1291631","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1291631":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:21020"},"id":"message:1291631","revisionNum":1,"uid":1291631,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1291601"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1291601"},"subject":"Re: My Few Gripes About \"Seasons\"","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1291631"},"body":"
\"TheGreatGorlon;c-16917290\" wrote:

As for City Living, I'm not exactly sure why you thought it was disappointing. I personally find it very fun! It added so much content, like apartments, lot traits, and singing skills, as well as the multiple food trucks with cool recipes your Sim can learn and collect. Plus, the festivals are pretty fun and add a bit of life to the game. I think it was a very well done pack, and added so much character to the game. Though, like others have mentioned, I've been hesitant to get Seasons because of the horror stories I've read about how weather can mess up some of the festivals - like the rain breaking all the stuff at GeekCon.


My biggest issue with CL is that all of it’s biggest new features are locked away from the player. Apartments can barely be edited, and cannot be created from scratch or placed in other worlds. The festivals are assembled using base game content, and like apartments are created in the world and can’t be modified. Even some lot traits are locked to specific apartments; the most noticeable trait is needs TLC and that’s not even something the player can put anywhere. It only exists in like 3 apartments.

As for food stalls, I don’t find those particularly fun. It’s just a stand where you can buy some food. I know some players like having all sorts of options for food, but I really don’t pay much attention to what my sims eat. Food is food in the game. I don’t really use the singing skill, I think it’s after effects are super annoying (sims singing everywhere all the time).

I think the city is way too dressed up, personally. I’m not someone who’s impressed by world props, which is what 90% of each neighborhood is. All in all I get that it’s a pack about living in the city, and partaking in city activities, but that doesn’t mean they had to lock every new feature into the city and away from players to use freely. Most of it was just not 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