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@catloverplayer The Sims Freeplay and the Sims Mobile didn’t fail! Actually they were the first mobile Sims games that didn’t fail like the mobile versions of TS2, TS3 and the Sims Medieval all did - and exactly because TSF and TSM were online multiplayer games! ;)
I don’t know if TS5 will fail or not because we don’t know anything about it yet (except that it has been in development since 2014 and almost certainly is multiplayer). Most likely it will be very different from the earlier big Sims games but still get packs and DLC.
But I know that the small group of hardcore veteran simmers (maybe about a thousand?) in this forum are hard to convince because they just refuse the fact that they aren’t even in the target group for the big Sims games which instead are the millions of new young casual simmers who buy the huge majority of the games. (Therefore the gurus ignore this forum and use twitter instead.)
Neither of those games are multiplayer, at least not in any way that would qualify a PC game as multiplayer. Both of those games are also free to install, and for the most part free to play.
EA tried multiplayer with this game and it didn’t work out. I don’t know why you are basing your prediction for the sequel on mobile games, or a speculative “new group of casual simmers“. You don’t know who is installing those apps, or buying this game; for all you know there could be considerable overlap.
EA tried rain and weather in the Sims 2 basegame. But it didn’t work out. The game became unstable and it was raining inside the houses. So EA just gave up and decided never to include weather in the Sims games, right?
We all know that this wasn’t what happened. EA planned multiplayer for TS4 and for SimCity 2013. But when SimCity 2013 was released EA saw that multiplayer had been made in the wrong way and there wasn’t enough time to make it better in TS4. Therefore TS4 didn’t become a multiplayer game anyway. But EA then gave up and removed multiplayer from all its PC games? No, of course not! Instead EA began making TS5 and give it an improved multiplayer part that didn’t have the same problems.
There are a huge number of ways to make multiplayer games and I don’t understand why it isn’t multiplayer when I am visiting cities belonging to my friends in the Sims Freeplay or let my sims become friends with sims that are owned by other simmers in any of the two mobile games??
The two mobile games aren’t identical and in the Sims Mobile we can’t even visit cities belonging to other simmers as we can in Freeplay. TS5 will likely have multiplayer in a third way which I can’t guess yet. Maybe we can visit cities belonging to other simmers or maybe we can’t. Maybe we can invite sims belonging to other simmers like in the Sims Mobile. Maybe TS5 will be real-time too even though I doubt it. Maybe TS5 will require an Internet connection all the time or maybe it like so many multiplayer games can be played offline too. We just don’t know yet. But that EA should throw millions of dollars away by ignoring the huge minority of new young simmers just to please a few thousand older veteran simmers who want packs for TS4 in at least 20 more years isn’t within the real world no matter how hard you fight to convince me that EA care more about veteran simmers than about money ;) :D
There is no Sims 5. Please stop spreading information that there is. Until they confirm it, it’s not coming. Grant has already replied to people on Twitter than TS5 isn’t coming.
Don’t lie! Grant has instead been very careful not to say anything about TS5 at all!
The only time he ever has mentioned TS5 was when somebody asked him if the EPs he plans making are for TS5? Then he answered “No, they are for TS4.” But once more he just omitted the natural continuation which of course would have been ”..because TS5 won’t be released for a couple of years.” So don’t lie! Just because EA hasn’t yet told us which Sims games EA will release in the future this doesn’t mean that EA has said that they never ever will release a new Sims game again!
And the majority of new Simmers have also disliked the idea of online. There have been several polls on various sites with people saying they don’t want an online game.
Nevertheless EA released both the Sims Freeplay and the Sims Mobile anyway!
There had also been several polls that showed that TS1 simmers didn’t want TS2 because they wanted more EPs for TS1 instead. But EA released TS2 anyway and I still remember how extremely angry almost all TS1 became.
Then it became the Sims 2 simmers who hated the idea about TS3 and wanted many more EPs for TS2. But EA just released TS3 after 5 years anyway.
Then it became the Sims 3 simmers who hated the idea about TS4 and many of them still refuse to play TS4 at all. But after 5 years EA released TS4 anyway.
Now (for the fourth time) the current simmers (who now play TS4) hate the idea about TS5 and demand more EPs for TS4 instead. But for the fourth time they won’t be able to stop EA from announcing and releasing TS5 which likely again has been in development since 2014.
The only thing that is new is that the Sims 4 simmers seem to have been able to make EA release more packs even after the release of TS5 which shows me that TS5 must be an online multiplayer game because such games usually have a much longer life than offline games have. (World of Warcraft was released in 2004 and still get new content now 14 years later.)
So no! I don’t doubt that TS5 is about to be announced this summer. You may be right that most Sims 4 simmers won’t like it and won’t buy it very soon because EA seems to expect that too. But it will be the game for all the young new simmers who now only have the mobile Sims games to play.
What I am most curious about is if EA really wants TS5 be based on subscriptions in a way similar to how World of Warcraft works? EA Access could be used for that. But exactly how EA will do it we just don’t know yet.
Ask yourself why Grant so many times just has repeated that TS4 isn’t dead and still has a lot of planned content when he instead just could have said: “We are not ready to switch to Sims 5 for at least a couple more years. So don’t worry about TS4! It will still be our main Sims games for more years!” Why was it so important for him not to say that and to avoid mentioning TS5 at all??
I think one of the problems here is that you keep reading Grant's quote in the wrong context. Maybe it's a language barrier, maybe it's just errant reading comprehension, but to clarify:
A person on Twitter asked:
"When you say a potential future pack, do you mean like for The Sims 5?"
To which Grant replied:
"No. Focused on Sims 4."
I notice that when you repeat his answer, you put a comma between "no" and "focused", making his answer one sentence and assuming a deflected answer. This is incorrect. He first answered, "No." Period. As in, "No, I do NOT mean a potential future pack for Sims 5." Then he added, "Focused on Sims 4." As in, "Potential future pack ONLY for Sims 4." His sentence structure made his meaning perfectly clear. It has nothing to do with "wishful thinking" or interpretation.
You are not remembering his tweets correctly and we can’t discuss this further without finding those tweets to see their exact wording. But he had to repeat many times that TS4 isn’t over and that he still plans to make a lot of more packs for TS4. In the end he even did something as unusual as to talk about packs “for years” even though EA never has done something like that before because EA usually doesn’t allow the devs to talk about unannouced packs at all!
Also, I don't understand why you expect him to say anything that implies "Sims 5 in a few years" because that was not the question asked, nor has there been any implication whatsoever of even a hint to Sims 5 existing at all. If anything, his firm answer regarding development focus on Sims 4 for years to come, does more to imply that Sims 5 is nowhere near completion, if it's even being developed at all.
I can’t explain that further without bringing maybe about 20 tweets where he again and again answered questions that were motivated by people’s curiosity about TS4’s future now where TS5 maybe could be announced.
Furthermore, it doesn't seem to occur to you that your theory about EA "needing a new Sims game every five years because new young simmers can't buy all of the packs to a full game and they are the most important customers" might be completely wrong. Especially when all evidence currently points to the fact that Sims 4 is doing extremely well with sales and is, in fact, growing its player base and new Simmers are joining in on Sims 4 just fine. Which is why EA has decided to have the devs be more active on Twitter, (a social media network popular to younger generations), to engage the new generation of Simmers and to promote The Sims 4 and the new Seasons expansion. Remember, Seasons was only announced one month before its release date, which is very different from how EPs were handled before. So EA has decided on a new strategy to use twitter to market the expansions in a shorter time period. EA is also now interested in what these new Simmers want for Sims 4, so Grant, the lead producer, is taking polls and suggestions in order to continue full speed ahead with years more of development. Grant even stated it himself that they are indeed planning Sims 4 content for years to come. This is not "wishful thinking", this is actual factual statements from the lead producer himself.
You ask why the devs have suddenly appeared on Twitter but you keep avoiding the most obvious answer: EA wants to continue to market Sims 4 to new Simmers because that's where the money is. Things are different for this era of The Sims. The game hasn't even reached its peak yet, but it is gaining momentum and more players join every day. There are brand new EA programs for Game Changers and there's Fan Kits now, and merchandise, and Sims 4 is more sensationalized than ever. This is Sims 4 in its heyday and there is no room for Sims 5 right now. It might be in development but it's very unlikely to be anywhere near ready to release. And if it were, It would only bring competition to its own profits, which is bad business. EA wouldn't risk releasing a competitor and dividing its own fanbase by making them choose which game to support. If you think parents have trouble buying their kids a Sims game with lots of extra packs, why in the world then, would they support two Sims games with lots of packs? By your own logic, the parents wouldn't support it. Especially if their young Simmer was already invested in the first game.
There is more evidence against Sims 5 coming out anytime soon than there is to justify it's existence. It would be a bad business move by EA and they wouldn't compete with their own game in its prime, no matter how different the "new" model is. If anything, that is wishful thinking.
It seems that I can’t convince people that EA just doesn’t want to lose millions of new simmers who would be forced to only play free mobile Sims games for years if EA didn’t release a new big PC Sims game for them.
The interesting question is for me instead why EA released the Sims Mobile when EA already had the Sims Freeplay? People expected the Sims Mobile to replace Freeplay. But this doesn’t seem to be EA’s plan at all. Also the Sims Mobile is an extremely small and repetitive game where you only play 2-4 adult sims in one house and do almost the same quests over and over. So I actually doubt that simmers will play it for years like they have done with the Sims Freeplay. Therefore I now suspect EA to have planned the Sims Mobile mostly just as an introduction for the next big Sims game.
