Off the grid items (confused)

I think what would have made the most sense would be to include both showers and baths, but only in certain styles. E.g., showers, but only with the DIY and camping showers. Baths, but only the old-fashioned or rustic bathtubs.

"Amapola76;c-17129875" wrote:

"SimQueenie9;c-17129853" wrote:

"Amapola76;c-17129837" wrote:
I continue to shake my head over baths v. showers. I mean, for those who are doing retro builds or challenges, think about it: What did people use hundreds of years ago? Baths*, or showers? I think we all know the answer to this.

(Ok, maybe they didn't take a LOT of baths... but it was at least an occasional option. :D )

Both. Both is good.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind them including showers. Heck, in real life, I own a camping shower that requires zero plumbing: you just fill the water bottle, let it warm in the sun, and then, voila, plumbing-free shower. Perfectly off-the-grid.

I'm just saying, if you HAD to choose between the two, it makes absolutely no sense to include showers but not baths, which is what they did.

ETA: and my other point was that historically speaking, people did NOT have showers in the past. They did have baths. So obviously plumbing is in no way necessary for baths.

Some people did. Not a lot, but some.

"SimQueenie9;c-17129888" wrote:

"Amapola76;c-17129875" wrote:

"SimQueenie9;c-17129853" wrote:

"Amapola76;c-17129837" wrote:
I continue to shake my head over baths v. showers. I mean, for those who are doing retro builds or challenges, think about it: What did people use hundreds of years ago? Baths*, or showers? I think we all know the answer to this.

(Ok, maybe they didn't take a LOT of baths... but it was at least an occasional option. :D )

Both. Both is good.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind them including showers. Heck, in real life, I own a camping shower that requires zero plumbing: you just fill the water bottle, let it warm in the sun, and then, voila, plumbing-free shower. Perfectly off-the-grid.

I'm just saying, if you HAD to choose between the two, it makes absolutely no sense to include showers but not baths, which is what they did.

ETA: and my other point was that historically speaking, people did NOT have showers in the past. They did have baths. So obviously plumbing is in no way necessary for baths.

Some people did. Not a lot, but some.

For example?

I'm willing to believe that somewhere out there, some ancient culture somewhere had some form of shower. (Now that I'm saying this, I'm thinking maybe the Romans.) But obviously baths were more common. Again, my point is very clearly that baths were more common than showers. So there's no good reasons not to include baths.

"Amapola76;c-17129891" wrote:

"SimQueenie9;c-17129888" wrote:

"Amapola76;c-17129875" wrote:

"SimQueenie9;c-17129853" wrote:

"Amapola76;c-17129837" wrote:
I continue to shake my head over baths v. showers. I mean, for those who are doing retro builds or challenges, think about it: What did people use hundreds of years ago? Baths*, or showers? I think we all know the answer to this.

(Ok, maybe they didn't take a LOT of baths... but it was at least an occasional option. :D )

Both. Both is good.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind them including showers. Heck, in real life, I own a camping shower that requires zero plumbing: you just fill the water bottle, let it warm in the sun, and then, voila, plumbing-free shower. Perfectly off-the-grid.

I'm just saying, if you HAD to choose between the two, it makes absolutely no sense to include showers but not baths, which is what they did.

ETA: and my other point was that historically speaking, people did NOT have showers in the past. They did have baths. So obviously plumbing is in no way necessary for baths.

Some people did. Not a lot, but some.

For example?

I'm willing to believe that somewhere out there, some ancient culture somewhere had some form of shower. (Now that I'm saying this, I'm thinking maybe the Romans.) But obviously baths were more common. Again, my point is very clearly that baths were more common than showers. So there's no good reasons not to include baths.

From "America's Women", by Gail Collins:

In 1798, Elizabeth Drinker, a highly respected sixty-five-year-old Quaker matron in Philadelphia, bathed in a shower box that her husband set up in the backyard of their house.

I agree that baths would've been a thousand times more common, and should've won out if you had to choose between the two.

When it comes to showers vs baths I think baths make just as much sense off grid as showers. Maybe just normal bathing, no special options like bubble baths or mud baths.

And I'm a bit disappointed in the oven as well. I understand they want some consequences to the number of available meals but we should be able to select more dishes from a gas oven than just 2!

@CelSims yes, absolutely sure about that moodlet coming from the washtub.

First time washing was fine, but with dirty water, this moodlet popped up.

"jeepjeepcat;d-961055" wrote:
I have a lot I've popped the off the grid trait on the lot I'm making for Island Living and I'm trying to figure out what I can and can't use. The oil lamps I had out (basegame) need electricity, so I've swapped them out for the Dine Out candles in the glass domes. Are there any other items that are off the grid friendly, and are they marked in any way in the catalogue?

I hope they add an off the grid filter. Is everyone buying a new wash basin every time? Or just toggling the OG lot trait? You dont need plumbing for a basin. I have an issue where OG items cant be used if SIM is energized.

I really want to wash by hand... Don’t expect any nice buffs from it but I would like to be able to change the water because that could be done with a bucket.

This would give one more chore to do while living off grid that isn’t really done in my usual gameplay. Also, it would make washing by hand that much more interesting gameplay wise if it has the off grid side to it. Now washing by hand is a lifestyle choice when your sim has everything available. If it was the only thing available, with nice animations of my sim toiling away then I enjoy roughing it up much more. Also, then it would be available for historical stories.

I bought the Laundry-pack but have never used the washing machine because I am not interested in getting more happy buffs for my sim. I already use mods to get rid of some of that. Now having my sims living in the woods or on the beach with no electricity. Keeping a few plants, fishing for food. Washing by hand, no perfect buffs! Slowly buying better stuff and hopefully having a plan for winter. Now that sounds interesting.

"Zasz;c-17135207" wrote:
@SilentKitty Did you look at my picture? That sink works off grids.

Thanks for pointing out there are working sinks. For those people who don't own outdoor retreat, this is not the only one. The cheapest base game sink works too, and a few others like one from laundry day and one from dine out.

Lol at the comment about not using washing machines as you don’t want happy buffs!

If you used the pack you’d see happy is hardly every what you get. Unless you obviously upgrade the washing machines with all the features, you always get “fine”. Or at least 9/10 times it’s fine, not happy. And surprisingly this “Fine” buff is actually pretty strong, like it often overpowers other emotions. Which i always thought was weird, why go through all the effort of adding a laundry pack, getting your sims to actually do the laundry, all for a “fine” moodlet??!