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7 years ago

Opinion Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.

"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say"

All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP.
But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.


Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's "the Sims 4" (The dark ages of the sims". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.


This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.

I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.

I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!

These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!

PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.

And also please don't be disappointed with the "no snow depth" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat" and many more...

Then, Someone Replied

The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... "Hey we decided to cut this to add these" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)

Then, I Said:

Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.

The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.

In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.

As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!

Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?


EDIT:

I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.

You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.

Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.

Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, "Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.

A lot of people will be askin', "Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.

I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm "many activities maybe" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.

This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.

https://simsvip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Deoj5Y3UcAA6Xk2-1.jpg


The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, "Time and Effort, ..... plus Money", yup, I'm not kidding

People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )

EDIT: June, 7 2018

I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!

Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.

https://scontent.fmnl13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34674484_1042575639252349_4421938705502044160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHdmopa3diubAYp167dAYf4mUjvJUYRA8qyAEOa19oq1mh86BFA2nG5YyRa_BPftWr65tfzjYL8VE1udqAoUoyPWG7DWE4P5_9twc4bGBCnEQ&oh=a79f8cc0ee8b1b4788dd77517497ed73&oe=5BB27D2B

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Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.","id":"message:1403258","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":109,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:140052"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1403258"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403258"},"body":"\"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say\"

All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP.
But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.


Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's \"the Sims 4\" (The dark ages of the sims\". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.


This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.

I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.

I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!

These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!

PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.

And also please don't be disappointed with the \"no snow depth\" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat\" and many more...

Then, Someone Replied

The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... \"Hey we decided to cut this to add these\" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)

Then, I Said:

Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding\" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.

The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.

In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.

As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!

Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?


EDIT:

I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.

You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.

Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.

Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, \"Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS\". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.

A lot of people will be askin', \"Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world\". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.

I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm \"many activities maybe\" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.

This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.

https://simsvip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Deoj5Y3UcAA6Xk2-1.jpg


The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, \"Time and Effort, ..... plus Money\", yup, I'm not kidding

People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )

EDIT: June, 7 2018

I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!

Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.

https://scontent.fmnl13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34674484_1042575639252349_4421938705502044160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHdmopa3diubAYp167dAYf4mUjvJUYRA8qyAEOa19oq1mh86BFA2nG5YyRa_BPftWr65tfzjYL8VE1udqAoUoyPWG7DWE4P5_9twc4bGBCnEQ&oh=a79f8cc0ee8b1b4788dd77517497ed73&oe=5BB27D2B

","body@stringLength":"6921","rawBody":"\"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say\"

All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP.
But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.


Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's \"the Sims 4\" (The dark ages of the sims\". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.


This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.

I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.

I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!

These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!

PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.

And also please don't be disappointed with the \"no snow depth\" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat\" and many more...

Then, Someone Replied

The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... \"Hey we decided to cut this to add these\" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)

Then, I Said:

Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding\" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.

The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.

In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.

As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!

Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?


EDIT:

I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.

You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.

Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.

Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, \"Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS\". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.

A lot of people will be askin', \"Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world\". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.

I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm \"many activities maybe\" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.

This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.

https://simsvip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Deoj5Y3UcAA6Xk2-1.jpg


The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, \"Time and Effort, ..... plus Money\", yup, I'm not kidding

People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )

EDIT: June, 7 2018

I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!

Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.

https://scontent.fmnl13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34674484_1042575639252349_4421938705502044160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHdmopa3diubAYp167dAYf4mUjvJUYRA8qyAEOa19oq1mh86BFA2nG5YyRa_BPftWr65tfzjYL8VE1udqAoUoyPWG7DWE4P5_9twc4bGBCnEQ&oh=a79f8cc0ee8b1b4788dd77517497ed73&oe=5BB27D2B

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\"JoAnne65;c-16504688\" wrote:
\"Beardedgeek;c-16504469\" wrote:
People who think \"not making any sacrifices\" is a valid argument... Yeah. No.
I would like to know how many of them who sit on $20 000 gaming PCs with 32 Gb RAM etc etc.

It’s officially stated that flat snow has nothing to do with performance. I also think you might be misinterpreting @Cinebar here.


But the actual simulation of snow gradually layering up is surely has something to do with performance.

After I read an article about snow has always been a challenge in the sims franchise (I even posted this article here in the forums)

I concluded that:

Sims 2 has snow depth but it only applies on lots, not the whole neighborhood. (cause anything outside your lot is empty unlike 3 and 4)
Sims 3 's snow depth has been poorly executed and has always been buggy to most of the people. (people who don't have good PCs)
Sims 4 may not have snow depth, but the article said that it has been the best snow detail in the sims yet. ( I agree to this one)

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\"Like_That;c-16510434\" wrote:
All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP.
But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.


No one is attacking you and its okay if people disagree. That is what having a healthy discussion is about. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone on this forum and that's okay. We all see and play our game differently.


\"Like_That;c-16510434\" wrote:
But the actual simulation of snow gradually layering up is surely has something to do with performance.

After I read an article about snow has always been a challenge in the sims franchise (I even posted this article here in the forums)

I concluded that:

Sims 2 has snow depth but it only applies on lots, not the whole neighborhood. (cause anything outside your lot is empty unlike 3 and 4)
Sims 3 's snow depth has been poorly executed and has always been buggy to most of the people. (people who don't have good PCs)
Sims 4 may not have snow depth, but the article said that it has been the best snow detail in the sims yet. ( I agree to this one)


This is all opinion because the fact of the matter still remains that the lead producer, himself, came out and told the community why snow depth was not added:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimGuruGrant/status/1001933906461970432

Folks: While we make a lot of decisions to improve and optimize performance on a wide range of PCs, our decision regarding deep snow was not due to performance. Be nice to each other.


In all due respect, I don't know what could be more obvious than that.


ETA: Apart of me doesn't want to accept that the reason for not adding deep snow had to the visuality of it. But it is what it is. We can only take Grant's word for it that it had nothing to do with performance.

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\"Like_That;c-16510498\" wrote:
\"JoAnne65;c-16504688\" wrote:
\"Beardedgeek;c-16504469\" wrote:
People who think \"not making any sacrifices\" is a valid argument... Yeah. No.
I would like to know how many of them who sit on $20 000 gaming PCs with 32 Gb RAM etc etc.

It’s officially stated that flat snow has nothing to do with performance. I also think you might be misinterpreting @Cinebar here.


But the actual simulation of snow gradually layering up is surely has something to do with performance.

According to Grant performance issues were not something that they even considered when they decided not to make deep snow for TS4.

After I read an article about snow has always been a challenge in the sims franchise (I even posted this article here in the forums)

I concluded that:

Sims 2 has snow depth but it only applies on lots, not the whole neighborhood. (cause anything outside your lot is empty unlike 3 and 4)
Sims 3 's snow depth has been poorly executed and has always been buggy to most of the people. (people who don't have good PCs)
Sims 4 may not have snow depth, but the article said that it has been the best snow detail in the sims yet. ( I agree to this one)

I don’t agree that Sims 4 Seasons has the best snow. (Just like it doesn’t have the best babies, the best teens or the best CASt.)

The reasons for those omissions and simplifications were instead that each Sims game has to be different from its predecessor and therefore focus on something different.

TS2 had a little depth in the snow to make it look more interesting and impressing.
TS3 got even more details in the deep snow t make it look so impressing that even simmers who already had played TS2 Seasons would become exited and buy TS3 Seasons too.
For TS4 Seasons they considered deep snow too. But if it couldn’t look even more detailed and impressing than the snow in TS3 Seasons then it wouldn’t be much worth in the sales videos and presentations anyway. People would likely just become bored seeing it and ask if TS4 Seasons didn’t have something better than just a repetition on the deep snow from TS3?

So the team needed to use the time and the resources to make something new and impressing that could make simmers exited even if they already had played TS3 Seasons a lot. This couldn’t be better snow. So they simplified the snow instead to get more time to invent other new and more impressing things for TS4.

Also remember that EA can’t just increase the budgets without increasing the sales numbers or sales prices too unless EA wants to not have an equally profitable game anymore. But EA can’t increase the prices for the packs without sales numbers going down. So if EA must put a lot of new things into the packs then EA has to simplify and omit other things. We can’t have it both ways.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-03T12:02:05.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-03T12:02:05.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1403258/message:1403331","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403332":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1403332","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1403332":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:140052"},"id":"message:1403332","revisionNum":1,"uid":1403332,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1403258"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1403258"},"subject":"Re: Opinion Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403332"},"body":"
Also remember that EA can’t just increase the budgets without increasing the sales numbers or sales prices too unless EA wants to not have an equally profitable game anymore. But EA can’t increase the prices for the packs without sales numbers going down. So if EA must put a lot of new things into the packs then EA has to simplify and omit other things. We can’t have it both ways


Erpe you haven't read the full article yet my friend. Here it is so you can see what I really mean. It's OK disagreeing because everyone's right.

http://simscommunity.info/2018/06/03/snow-was-always-a-challenge-for-the-sims-franchise/
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\"Like_That;c-16510647\" wrote:
Also remember that EA can’t just increase the budgets without increasing the sales numbers or sales prices too unless EA wants to not have an equally profitable game anymore. But EA can’t increase the prices for the packs without sales numbers going down. So if EA must put a lot of new things into the packs then EA has to simplify and omit other things. We can’t have it both ways


Erpe you haven't read the full article yet my friend. Here it is so you can see what I really mean. It's OK disagreeing because everyone's right.

http://simscommunity.info/2018/06/03/snow-was-always-a-challenge-for-the-sims-franchise/

I have just seen some YouTube videos from TS2 Seasons and TS3 Seasons to remind myself how they looked. Your article is about how to interpretate Grann’s tweet:
https://twitter.com/simgurugrant/status/1001879462659506176?s=21

But like in other tweet he can’t go into technical details. Anyway I know enough about computers and programming to see that deep snow even more impressing than TS3’s snow would be a huge work to make, test and stabilize and to steal a lot of work from other things they wanted to make for TS4 Seasons. So yes, I agree that deep snow has always been a challenge because it isn’t something that you just make in one day. In TS2 it was clearly more simplified than it was in TS3 where they therefore must have worked very hard on it for a long time. But as I wrote about they thought it was worth it for TS3 because it would impress many simmers who likely wouldn’t decide to buy Seasons again before they saw the snow in the videos.

For TS4 it would again have been the same huge work. But this time they couldn’t really expect to be able to make the snow so much better that it could impress anybody enough to buy Sims 4 Seasons just because of the snow.

I only disagree when people ignore the fact that EA only makes the game to earn money and therefore has to concentrate on new things that can be used in the presentations and videos to convince people to buy “the same packs” once more anyway.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-03T13:28:32.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-03T13:28:32.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1403258/message:1403333","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:8607":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:8607","uid":8607,"login":"EA_Leeloo","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-12-26T10:17:50.946Z"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:8607"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403334":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1403334","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1403334":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:8607"},"id":"message:1403334","revisionNum":1,"uid":1403334,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1403258"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1403258"},"subject":"Re: Opinion Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1403334"},"body":"That awkward moment when you're reading this thread, are listening to your random playlist and Snow by RHCP comes on ...

But on a more serious note, I had to remove and edit a few comments because they were rather provocative or even baiting. There is no need to make things personal or be aggressive - in the end, we are all Simmers and passionate about the game. 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Trailers often make me buy stuff, lol, however, I'm not sure the TS4 trailer and the lack of snow depth can convince me to buy this version of Seasons, and I have purchased lots of stuff for TS4 in the past such as Vampires because they are the best in the series, however, I'm not sure Seasons trailers can help me get over the lack of snow depth. And I have yet to see a thunderstorm acutally do any real damage to a Sim...my deviant side has to know Sims can drop like flies or I'm not really all that interested if I don't have to look after my Sims at all while they splash water in an electrical storm...if they don't need me then what is the point? 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\"Like_That;c-16510647\" wrote:
Also remember that EA can’t just increase the budgets without increasing the sales numbers or sales prices too unless EA wants to not have an equally profitable game anymore. But EA can’t increase the prices for the packs without sales numbers going down. So if EA must put a lot of new things into the packs then EA has to simplify and omit other things. We can’t have it both ways


Erpe you haven't read the full article yet my friend. Here it is so you can see what I really mean. It's OK disagreeing because everyone's right.

http://simscommunity.info/2018/06/03/snow-was-always-a-challenge-for-the-sims-franchise/

The article uses an example of an indeed annoying glitch in Sims 3 as if it’s a general problem with snow in the game but it’s not. I’ve only encountered it in Bridgeport and the world used here apparently has it too. It seems one of the tropical worlds? Not Sunlit Tides because I haven’t seen it there, is it IP (it never snowed in IP in my game because I just don’t find it suitable there)? Anyway, the fact snow had occasional glitches in the previous games doesn’t prove ‘performance’ was the reason to choose flat snow this time around.

https://i.imgur.com/Hk0fozq.jpg

I must add I am not against their Sims 4 approach per se by the way. Even when I do like sims sinking away in it, it had its silly moments.

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l512/Jo-Anne2/Album3/Silas_142b_zps3272925b.png

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\"Like_That;c-16510647\" wrote:
Also remember that EA can’t just increase the budgets without increasing the sales numbers or sales prices too unless EA wants to not have an equally profitable game anymore. But EA can’t increase the prices for the packs without sales numbers going down. So if EA must put a lot of new things into the packs then EA has to simplify and omit other things. We can’t have it both ways


Erpe you haven't read the full article yet my friend. Here it is so you can see what I really mean. It's OK disagreeing because everyone's right.

http://simscommunity.info/2018/06/03/snow-was-always-a-challenge-for-the-sims-franchise/


Graham specifically called this site out on Twitter for using an unsupported GPU when taking these pictures. Are we faulting Sims 2 for the shadow boxes caused by newer, unsupported graphics cards? Frankly the fact the article was not updated with a disclaimer that reads “these screenshots were taken using an unsupported GPU. Your experience WILL differ” makes it a rather gaudy, unbelievably slanted article.

In response to your OP about the complicated code, these people coded the game. 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