Please fix the emotions system

"friendlysimmers;c-17916700" wrote:
I fully disagree with what is said in this post i fine the emotions perfect as they are and working fine

No, it's not working fine. They need to improve it.

each plays the game differently and for me emotion system works fine in the game

"aoi_SIMS;c-17913841" wrote:
First of all, please understand that I am not good at English, so my sentences are a bit strange.

This is just how I feel about this system, but I think that a sim's reaction to something they dislike should be boredom, not tension.
For example, do you get frustrated when you see a piece of furniture that we in the real world don't like? At least I don't feel that way.
When we have to listen to music we don't like, we may feel bored rather than nervous (irritation).

Listening to music I hate goes far beyond bored for me tense/annoyed seems like a perfect response though everyone does not react the same

"friendlysimmers;c-17916799" wrote:
each plays the game differently and for me emotion system works fine in the game

Can I just ask how? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to attack you.

For me positive emotions are always overlapping negative ones. I can be friendly with a sim that my sim supposably doesn't like because is happy of being in a great environment, or is flirty for watching tv... evrything goes against the sim nature.

How do you manage to play fine with emotions?

For me it's a big problem that affects other things in game. If it was fixed I could find a way to enjoy TS4. I try to play rotative like in TS2 and doesn't work, try to play an individual family like in TS3 and it also doesn't work for me.

I don't know how to make TS4 enjoyable without mods.

i keep aging off and keep sims needs max up by disabaling needs decay i much prefer to see sims happy and positive but thats my choice as a player

"Renato10;c-17917390" wrote:

"friendlysimmers;c-17916799" wrote:
each plays the game differently and for me emotion system works fine in the game

Can I just ask how? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to attack you.

For me positive emotions are always overlapping negative ones. I can be friendly with a sim that my sim supposably doesn't like because is happy of being in a great environment, or is flirty for watching tv... evrything goes against the sim nature.

How do you manage to play fine with emotions?

For me it's a big problem that affects other things in game. If it was fixed I could find a way to enjoy TS4. I try to play rotative like in TS2 and doesn't work, try to play an individual family like in TS3 and it also doesn't work for me.

I don't know how to make TS4 enjoyable without mods.

I agree. Too much useless buffs like the decor or delicious food buffs overlap the more stronger and important emotions. For example, my Sim gets attacked by the birds while using the bird feeder. Instead of feeling angry, she will still feel happy because she ate a delicious lunch like 2 hours ago. She will feel the anger emotion hours later, after the delicious lunch buff is over.

Too much positive emotions makes them feel unreal...like robotic or something. I love this game, don't get me wrong. But the emotion system is just bugging me.

I don't play with mods though. I just wish the team will fix it.

@friendlysimmers That’s understandable; What annoys some players won’t annoy others, so it’s all good if the emotions system works for you. : )

For me the emotions system isn’t a massive game ruining problem, but as someone who doesn’t use mods, I do think bereavement ought to last a little longer than two days if the person lost was very close to the Sim, and maybe a little less long if it was someone the Sim didn’t know very well or didn’t have much of a relationship bar with. Then again those who prefer a happier game would probably find that irritating, I imagine. I don’t think there’s a way to necessarily ‘fix’ the Emotions system because what will fix it for some will ruin it for others. Some want a more realistic experience, others want a happier, more cheery experience. I don’t think there’s a way to make the system work well enough for both sides.

"Renato10;c-17917390" wrote:

"friendlysimmers;c-17916799" wrote:
each plays the game differently and for me emotion system works fine in the game

Can I just ask how? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to attack you.

For me positive emotions are always overlapping negative ones. I can be friendly with a sim that my sim supposably doesn't like because is happy of being in a great environment, or is flirty for watching tv... evrything goes against the sim nature.

How do you manage to play fine with emotions?

For me it's a big problem that affects other things in game. If it was fixed I could find a way to enjoy TS4. I try to play rotative like in TS2 and doesn't work, try to play an individual family like in TS3 and it also doesn't work for me.

I don't know how to make TS4 enjoyable without mods.

Yeah, I actually do fine with emotions, despite the fact that I can see where people who criticize it are coming from. I'd definitely say it's on the lazy side.

For me, the keys are Sentiments and preferences.

If a Sim is hurt or has a festering grudge with another Sim, it takes *forever* to let up, and that Sim is often going to be Sad, Angry, or Tense around the Sim they're hurt by or have a grudge with. This can lead to all kinds of challenges if they're living together. I had a Toddler who was always upset around her mother because of some perceived slight (I think a rejected hug or something).

If you say "Yes" to every Like/Dislike suggestion, this can create some challenges, too. Say a Sim is Tense because they're around someone they have a negative Sentiment with. Anything they do that might get a Like/Dislike suggestion has a high chance of getting a Dislike suggestion. (This is also true if they're Uncomfortable, and possibly Sad.) I said Yes to a Sim disliking a type of musical genre--and she was *constantly* Tense or Uncomfortable when that genre was playing in the same room where she was doing something, even if she wasn't actively listening to it. This, of course, led to her disliking more things, such as Video Gaming. And since she was a Neat Sim, she was Uncomfortable when repairing a sink because of the mess, so this led to her disliking Handiness.

Because Likes/Dislikes are new, there's no rules regarding them for the 100 Baby Challenge, so I decided to mess with her preferences and make her like almost every genre of music instead. But of course, you don't have to do it, and you can easily make a Sim miserable by having them dislike a bunch of regular activities (like Cooking).

Now, whether or not you *should* have to go to all this trouble to make emotions more challenging for their Sims is a different question, and I understand if you would rather the game offered more challenge by default. I just thought I'd share my experience.

ETA: I forgot to mention--when a Sim has a negative moodlet from being around someone they have a negative Sentiment with, their Happy moodlets fade quicker! This is helpful if you get a lot of positive moodlets from things like decorations or using upgraded items. Also, I believe the "nicely decorated" buffs have been nerfed. They don't last forever just because the Sim is in the room now.

The emotion system in Sims 4 is not very good, but it also ruined by everything giving mood modifiers. That started early, too, if you owned SIms 3 you got a ton of mood-altering lamps for free and it kind of ruined the whole concept to begin with and it has only gotten worse.

What is the point of having an "emotion system" that they hyped so much back then, when every second reward object you get for a career makes emotions invalid? Especially after they removed the "Ideal Mood" requirement for promotions, something that at least superficially presented a challenge the first year or so of this game.

But then this is how the devs deal with money, too. Your Sim becomes mega-rich very quickly by just lying on a coach doing nothing, basically. If you want the Repo man to come by you literally have to "fail on purpose".