please make the sims in sims 4 more alive

"Cinebar;c-17197519" wrote:
Mentally unhealthy? I'm mentally unhealthy because I like some deviant play? Sims aren't real for one thing. I am able to distinquish, Sim on fire, funny, real person on fire, No, not funny, save them. Sim slapping someone for cheating, funny, not real life, real person slapping someone for cheating, not funny, sad, and not good for either one of them. The brain is amazing it can distinuqish between fantasy and real life and has a moral compass of what is funny in pixels and what is not funny in real life. A healthy person can distinquish between the two without cringing.

Burn books? You know there is an age for what type books one should read? And or movies one should watch, and five years old, no, no R rated or maybe not even PG13 movies.

The difference between my moral compass and EA's? Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

My moral compass, no, I have never made anyone I know in real life to put in game to get even with them. Even I have my principles. Now, who has the moral highground?

You are still arguing for violence... so there's that (if you want to get into moral high ground). I'm not going to argue. And distinguishing sims vs real life has nothing to do with desire for violence as entertainment. The desire for violence is still there (in a game). My statement stands, as does the attempt to try and educate people about how people (such as my friend who died from a serious fire) feel about the simmers (and EA) laughing about burning sims, and, worse yet, doing it for fun.

I won't argue anymore. I don't want this to turn into some weird flame war, just because I was asking people to think of real victims- who are upset that people find this funny. Unfortunately, it turned into a defense- rather than respectful empathy.

"Cinebar;c-17197519" wrote:
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The difference between my moral compass and EA's? Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

My moral compass, no, I have never made anyone I know in real life to put in game to get even with them. Even I have my principles. Now, who has the moral highground?

It never ceases to amaze me how some can totally misrepresent things to suit their own narrative. The purpose of the new ad is to reach out to those who may be dealing with challenges and allow those players to feel comfortable with whatever scenario that brings them pain in real life. Not to exact revenge on anyone.

"SimChi;c-17197544" wrote:
You are still arguing for violence... so there's that (if you want to get into moral high ground). I'm not going to argue. And distinguishing sims vs real life has nothing to do with desire for violence as entertainment. The desire for violence is still there (in a game). My statement stands, as does the attempt to try and educate people about how people (such as my friend who died from a serious fire) feel about the simmers (and EA) laughing about burning sims, and, worse yet, doing it for fun.

I won't argue anymore. I don't want this to turn into some weird flame war, just because I was asking people to think of real victims- who are upset that people find this funny. Unfortunately, it turned into a defense- rather than respectful empathy.

Says the person who argues for burning books... And we all know where that one ends up, don't we?

How did this discussion come round to the sims being inappropriate? The sims 4 of all sims games at that.

Unfortunately in real life, sometimes bad/horrible/ tragic things happen. Life is not a bed of roses and the sims as a life simulator should reflect that.

By the logic of violence shouldn't Be in the sims, it shouldn't be in any video game ever. Video games dont Cause violence, people do irrespective of a video game.

"MidnightAura;c-17197591" wrote:
How did this discussion come round to the sims being inappropriate? The sims 4 of all sims games at that.

Unfortunately in real life, sometimes bad/horrible/ tragic things happen. Life is not a bed of roses and the sims as a life simulator should reflect that.

By the logic of violence shouldn't Be in the sims, it shouldn't be in any video game ever. Video games dont Cause violence, people do irrespective of a video game.

I completely agree.

Those who try to shield themselves from 'dangerous' concepts by demanding that they not be in games or books, are only hurting themselves and the freedoms of others... And eventually they damage society as well.

TS1 was far more brutal... Who could forget something like this:

https://youtu.be/bqfQSsFUr-Q?t=617

@Evil_One Oh my goodness... I loved how they passed away in TS1! Hilarious!

"simgirl1010;c-17197553" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17197519" wrote:
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The difference between my moral compass and EA's? Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

My moral compass, no, I have never made anyone I know in real life to put in game to get even with them. Even I have my principles. Now, who has the moral highground?

It never ceases to amaze me how some can totally misrepresent things to suit their own narrative. The purpose of the new ad is to reach out to those who may be dealing with challenges and allow those players to feel comfortable with whatever scenario that brings them pain in real life. Not to exact revenge on anyone.

Video games are not a healthy substitute for therapy. I don’t care how much comfort someone gets from a video game, that doesn’t enable the studio developing the game to prey on those traumas in order to sell copies of their game. It’s amazing how marketing can make predatory ads like that appear normal. It’s advertising a bad message that this is more than a video game but also some sort of therapeutic thing. Hardly a stance this studio should be peddling to kids (who more often than not vastly exaggerate their “trauma”).

"SimChi;c-17197504" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-17197468" wrote:
There is no simulating life when you avoid the misery. Misery and misfortune and cheating are as much a part of life as rainbows and roses are, as is death.

Have to disagree. Life is not misery, misfortune and cheating. Those things are the opposite of life (and by life I mean vitality, liveliness). And yes, again, when people are making fun of burning sims (or killing them) in horrific ways, they are mentally unhealthy, and they are making light of tragedy.

To address burning books (from the other simmers comment). Yes. I do think maybe books should be burned, because they really are vile. I never used to think that way (about burning books), and I really thought that people would never make such gross literature (or books for entertainment)... but after having been exposed to far too many vile things I have since changed my mind- and realized that I would not have some of the added trauma that I have today if I had not ever seen/read those things. The thought of having a life where I'd never been exposed to those things, and the thought of a world where they don't/can't even exist, makes me unbelievably happy.... Which is why I don't want them in a game either.

I didn’t say it is life, I said it’s part of life. And actually misfortune makes life more vital, more lively, deeper. You enjoy the good times even more when there are also bad times.

As for burning books: there’s literally not much more vile and dangerous than burning books.

"simgirl1010;c-17197553" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17197519" wrote:
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The difference between my moral compass and EA's? Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

My moral compass, no, I have never made anyone I know in real life to put in game to get even with them. Even I have my principles. Now, who has the moral highground?

It never ceases to amaze me how some can totally misrepresent things to suit their own narrative. The purpose of the new ad is to reach out to those who may be dealing with challenges and allow those players to feel comfortable with whatever scenario that brings them pain in real life. Not to exact revenge on anyone.

What narrative? The one where recognizable real life people are exposed without giving permission, without being warned even, because their 16 yr old relative was given the opportunity to give their bitter and one sided vision on things in a world wide ad? There never is one truth, every coin has two sides. It’s unbelievable a gaming company invites young people to present just one side of that coin behind the backs of their parents/siblings/school mates/whatever with only one actual goal: to sell their game. That is my narrative and you’re welcome to disagree but that doesn’t make it “misrepresenting” per se. It just means you see it differently. “Getting back at” was literally in that casting ad. How is that not revenge?

"drake_mccarty;c-17197705" wrote:

"simgirl1010;c-17197553" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17197519" wrote:
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The difference between my moral compass and EA's? Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

My moral compass, no, I have never made anyone I know in real life to put in game to get even with them. Even I have my principles. Now, who has the moral highground?

It never ceases to amaze me how some can totally misrepresent things to suit their own narrative. The purpose of the new ad is to reach out to those who may be dealing with challenges and allow those players to feel comfortable with whatever scenario that brings them pain in real life. Not to exact revenge on anyone.

Video games are not a healthy substitute for therapy. I don’t care how much comfort someone gets from a video game, that doesn’t enable the studio developing the game to prey on those traumas in order to sell copies of their game. It’s amazing how marketing can make predatory ads like that appear normal. It’s advertising a bad message that this is more than a video game but also some sort of therapeutic thing. Hardly a stance this studio should be peddling to kids (who more often than not vastly exaggerate their “trauma”).

I wasn't commenting on the effectiveness of video games as therapy. Just that the purpose of the ad was not to entice players to play in order to seek revenge on their adversaries.