please make the sims in sims 4 more alive

"drake_mccarty;c-17198457" wrote:
@LiELF please refrain from generalizing like that. Go work a few years in social work and you will see kids are as resilient as the household they come from. Broken homes more often than not result in broken kids/teens/adults who NEED help of some sort. That is fact, it’s not 100% but it’s rare to have a broken home result in someone with no issues stemming from that whatsoever.

Yeah kids can handle those themes. That isn’t the issue here, the issue is hot topic social issues being exploited for a quick buck by a company that would rather glorify unhealthy behavior than encourage overcoming it.

I'm well aware of the realities of the downtrodden, I assure you. And in fact, it's because of this that I think it's a little vulgar and distasteful to use such examples just to bash EA marketing, just as I find that other poster's exaggerated accusations of mental instability in deviant players to be very distasteful as well. We're talking about a game and corporate marketing and people have gone off the deep end with the level of conspiracy just to make a point. The thing is, people can make perfectly good points without resulting to exaggerations of offensive influence.

Because yes, I agree, EA's ad is a little bit exploitative to the modern young generations in order to get them in the feels. The sensitive music, the close-ups of body language, and the sob stories are all clever manipulations to get the teens and preteens of today to relate, while the company collects empathy points from its newest consumers. But neither am I surprised nor offended because that's just how marketing works, they haven't done anything new or particularly vile. Maybe living in the US has desensitized me to it because gross corporate marketing runs rampant here and we have ads within ads all over the place trying to get their target's attention in any way they can. It's practically Dystopian. But I also think it's a stretch to say they were "glorifying" unhealthy behavior due to one line in the whole ad. By that token, Sims players have been doing that themselves for years on these very forums anyway, haven't they? Technically, the EA ad didn't even promote anything different than what we've been seeing Simmers promote on the public forums since its inception.

"darrenfroggy;c-17198362" wrote:
"Stories of creating/playing with Sims of real life family (getting back at Mom/Dad, Sibling rivalry)" <- this is the *only* mention of this whole big thing about what kinda stories they were looking for in the ad. Stories meant as anecdotes, in the section that specifically veered away from serious themes. Listed along with "Creating and pull the strings in a home filled with Drama". Which is something that Sims Let's Plays frequently thrive on. Not a huge main point like some here made it to be.

The narrative I was referring to was from comments like Cinebar's earlier in this thread:

Hey kids tell us about how you made your friends and put them in the game and 'got even with them'. That's EA's new ad.

Because no, that's not what the video was about, not even remotely. None of those kinds of stories were even *in* the video at all.

For me, the video was a testimonial from players who found that the game helped them and wanted to share that story, maybe to show others that it might help them too. I'm someone who found Sims equally helpful at a time when I needed it, so I connected with it.

If you don't like it and find it distasteful, that's your opinion. We can agree to disagree on that.

There are some here who definitely present things as facts (and thus a narrative) that are just as much an opinion and a guess as to what the intent of the video was. And as I mentioned above, it's definitely misrepresenting things when someone claims that the entire testimonial video was aimed at luring in kids who want to get even/get revenge on someone. That was my entire point.

As for what the intent of the video was? To me it was to show the amount of good impact SIms had over the years. For some, it hit the mark. For others, it clearly didn't. Would I have liked if they chose a wider variety of stories and age groups? It likely would've gotten the point across better, though I'm sure there would be some who'd still find a way to make EA into the evil overlord they think it is. (we can also only guess where this idea came from initially, which is a whole different topic altogether).

I have my opinions, you have yours. All I was trying to clear up is the misrepresentation of the casting call and the resulting video, since they somehow snowballed into something it definitely wasn't.

https://i.postimg.cc/0QV7MqMf/Young-Simmers-Only.jpg
On the right.

"LiELF;c-17198428" wrote:
Wow. There's a lot of people in this thread taking the perception of Sims games and marketing to a whole new dramatic level. "But...think of the children!!" :D

Kids are a lot more resilient than folks are giving them credit for. Some of them actually played Sims 1 back in the day and came out just fine, lol. These days they're all playing GTA V or whatever. I think they can handle death, fire and consequences in Sims 4 and some cheesy marketing ads. It's not that deep.

Not sure what you’re referring to so maybe my response won’t adress what you mean, but being asked about personal things in your real life that didn’t go too well, provoking kids to expose people who are near to them, is not the same thing as playing a game with some political incorrect elements. I’m all for that.

https://i.postimg.cc/0QV7MqMf/Young-Simmers-Only.jpg



Whoa, I hadn't seen these images before!
...its kind of disgusting.

"SERVERFRA;c-17198367" wrote:
Sims 4 is more like rated 10+ because the Sims go out to drink juices, the fights are just Sims batting their hands, & the woohoo in beds are just the Sims moving around under the blankets. Only naughty mods corupes the Sims.

I'm quite positive that this is practically the same for every sims..

"Sk8rblaze;c-17199643" wrote:

"PrincessSaturn;c-17199527" wrote:

https://i.postimg.cc/0QV7MqMf/Young-Simmers-Only.jpg



Whoa, I hadn't seen these images before!
...its kind of disgusting.

It honestly just seems weird and forced to go and provide a specific list like that for this purpose.

It’s called an agenda

"LexiBai;c-17196094" wrote:
sims 4 gameplay, in general, will never measure up to previous sims games, S4 was created for kids and pre-teens to play, not for the loyal dedicated fan base of sims players who've been playing since the early 2000s

I agree so why could they not make 2 versions beginners and advanced players would be nice I really think the sims 4 is gorgeous but the sims don’t do the game any justice.. it’s just lacking in so much detail and character.. it’s like if you don’t have a million mods the game is not even worth loading

...Man, this thread really went places, lol.

Just peeked in to add my support to the OP, even if it's already too late for this to happen in Sims 4 (maybe 5 but this is EA we're talking about, I'm not holding my breath).

And to whoever thought it was a good idea to call people mentally unhealthy and advocate burning books, get a grip, people are able and SHOULD BE ABLE to distinguish between fantasy and real life without people attacking them for it. Now I understand who they sanitized the game for, it was never children, but the overly-sensitive adults, as usual ?

> @babsjean said:
> I really want to love sims 4 as much as sims 2 because sims 4 is so nice to look at and has so much content and calendars and awesome add ons but...... My sims in sim 4 are so lifeless. Like robots or walking dead. I can play a family in sims 2 for 10 minutes and be totally invested in all of them. I have some sims 4 families and singles that I've been playing for hours and hours and I just don't care about them. I wish I could put my finger on what is missing.

For me it's the wants and fears system as well as turn on/turn offs. There could be more, but this was a big part which I would like them to bring back.

"SweetKarma13;c-17199874" wrote:
> @babsjean said:
> I really want to love sims 4 as much as sims 2 because sims 4 is so nice to look at and has so much content and calendars and awesome add ons but...... My sims in sim 4 are so lifeless. Like robots or walking dead. I can play a family in sims 2 for 10 minutes and be totally invested in all of them. I have some sims 4 families and singles that I've been playing for hours and hours and I just don't care about them. I wish I could put my finger on what is missing.

For me it's the wants and fears system as well as turn on/turn offs. There could be more, but this was a big part which I would like them to bring back.

For me it's all of that, plus the memory system. Some of the fun with the Sims 2 premades was scouring their memories for all the family drama ?

That and somehow, the emotions actually felt weightier in 2 than they do in 4. Remember sims being furious with each other, or going into aspiration failure and needing you to pull them out of the depths of their own misery? Good times, good times...