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Goodywood
New Adventurer
2 months ago
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Premade Sims doing service roles.

Hi guys!    (I had this issue a few years ago and made a thread but I can't find it now since we made the switch to the new forums.) I started a new save, and now my game is not generating random ...
  • coloncocon's avatar
    coloncocon
    2 months ago

    Hello, I wrote about a topic related to what you said before. Before I add the link, I will briefly summarize the information I know here.

    • The game will pick the premade sims and existing sims to do NPC jobs only if you have EP06 Get Famous.
    • And the game only picks the sim who is unplayed. Sim households that were tagged as played (ex. played once) won't be picked to the NPC until you make them "unplayed"

    I have written the details of the NPC assignment with EP06 here.

    NPC role assign rule with/without EP06 "Get Famous" | EA Forums - 4960369

    My solution for avoiding the game picking existing sims without the ability to choose who does what is...

    • Disable EP06 Get Famous
      • You can find how to do it here if you want https://jamesturner.yt/disablepacks
      • Be aware that you can only do that in the new save. Don't do this to the saved file that already has EP06.
    • Play the household that you don't want them to be NPC once.
      • Just play the live mode of that household and exit. They won't be picked until you untick the "Played" icon in the household menu.
      • This method is also useful to get rid of them from the list of available restaurant/retail/vet employees.

    ***Just moving household to "My household" doesn't stop that auto-assigned. They have to be played.

Goodywood's avatar
Goodywood
New Adventurer
28 days ago

Hi coloncocon 

I'm finally feeling better. 😀

How have you been? 

1. I want to know the reason you disable EP12/HSY too. but you better reply after you feel completely well. (Just curious, not necessary)

The reason I disable HSY is because my sim family's child wasn't a teen yet and I only want HSY active when they turn a teen. They are teen now, but I wanted to make the backup saves without HSY just in case I have to go back to an earlier save (well not save but earlier time with my sim family).  I know, it is weird.  😅

 

7. (after 6.) So, did you use the method to add NPC gym trainer with no-EP06 and import it to the current save? Does it work for you? ----> This method will be necessary when you buy every new pack with new worlds from now on. So, better to test and master this method in this step. You won't have to make a new main save after that.

About number 7... I still don't quite understand how to import NPC. I have to go back and read what you wrote as I forget what you said. 

 

3C. I forgot that there is this function of MCCC. I worry about you facing many random townies who need to have CAS surgery. But using the "import from the gallery" function can solve this issue! However, I don't want to download sims from other players, I prefer making them myself, so I choose to not use this function. But it's good that you do this.

3D. Again, if you aren't satisfied with the choice of MCCC picking, you can reload or go to make them "played" and wait for another random pick.

I feel I didn't do things right, as I don't really like having other Simmer's sim in my game.  I would make the NPC's over myself, but that would be a very tedious job. I don't know if I can do it. 

 

 

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coloncocon
Seasoned Ace
28 days ago

GoodywoodHello, I am glad that you feel better now. I'm fine and I have taken a rest in recent holidays.

The reason I disable HSY is because my sim family's child wasn't a teen yet and I only want HSY active when they turn a teen. They are teen now, but I wanted to make the backup saves without HSY just in case I have to go back to an earlier save (well not save but earlier time with my sim family).  I know, it is weird.  😅

It's okay to have a backup before adding the new pack that impacts your gameplay. Right now I still haven't played HSY with my sim family. I only had a playtest with Maxis's sim from the gallery. (I imported Liam Beckett to play and learn the HSY system as a sandbox. But I enjoy having him in my main save too.)

About number 7... I still don't quite understand how to import NPC. I have to go back and read what you wrote as I forget what you said. 

I will try to explain again here. If you still don't understand, please let me know.

  1. Go to No-EP06 save and let the game generate a new NPC (Ex.Gym trainer in target lot).
  2. After that, go to find them in "Other Households" (new NPC will appear here before you edit them, after editing, they will move to "My Household" autonomously).
  3. Go to edit them in CAS (click the pencil icon).
  4. Export Sim by "save household" (click folder icon) --> save household to library
  5. Now you have NPC in your "My Library" (Not need to add to online gallery)
  6. Go to Have-EP06 save (Your current main file) 
  7. Go to "Open the Gallery" (click lightbulb icon or F4)
  8. Find that NPC in "My Library"
  9. Click "Place Household" icon in the bottom-right
  10. Click any empty lot --> confirm --> this NPC sim will live in that lot.
  11. Don't go to live mode of this sim!!!
  12. Click this lot --> click "..." icon --> click "Evict household" (house icon with x)
  13. This NPC will become homeless, the lot will be empty again. --> and this NPC will still keep the NPC role they have before export from "No-EP06 save".

(I don't know what you already know about Export and Import sims. So, I try to explain every step including what icon.)

I feel I didn't do things right, as I don't really like having other Simmer's sim in my game.  I would make the NPC's over myself, but that would be a very tedious job. I don't know if I can do it.

I am not sure what's the problem in this part because I haven't had experience with using this function of MCCC. But I believe that if MCCC chooses only sims from "My Library". You can only have sims you made. You just have to make many of the sims in the library to let MCCC pick.

So, do you enjoy the current state of your save file already? Are there any problems you have or curious about?

I may answer late in recent days, but feel free to ask me. Or if it's a whole new topic, you may better create the new topic and let other people reach your question as well. I will try to check and help you as soon as possible. 😊

  • Goodywood's avatar
    Goodywood
    New Adventurer
    22 days ago

    Hi coloncocon 

    Thank you for replying and explaining in detail how to import NPCs. 

    I tried doing what you said and it didn't work. I will tell you what I did but, I wanted to ask you, do you think I should make a new thread (like you suggested)?

     

    Edit: When I say it didn't work, I mean the game loaded a completely new NPC and not the one I generated in the No-EP06 save. 

    • coloncocon's avatar
      coloncocon
      Seasoned Ace
      21 days ago

      Hi Goodywood 

      So sorry that it didn't work for you. What is the NPC role that you tried? I will test it again myself with Get Famous and find what method I missed.

      My method is usually for the main save which is the No-EP06 save. For example, I had to activate EP06 temporarily to use a mod that can assign the NPC that I want. Then I export them to my library, and exit without save. Open No-EP06 and import them. They will keep their role.

      However, I haven't tried export-import with the Have-EP06 save file. That's because I always modify NPCs myself and "let it go" when premades are assigned to the NPC role. So, the rule may be changed when have Get Famous.

      As I remember that you said about Gym Trainer. I will try to use my save file to experiment myself and will report to you soon.

      ---------

      About making a new thread, if the issue you focus on right now is different from the current topic (how to prevent Premade Sims from doing service roles.), it's worth opening the new one.

      Some people are experts in NPC making and may have more depth information such as the game code. I can't guarantee that you will get enough answers because I have failed before. But better than nothing, I think.

    • coloncocon's avatar
      coloncocon
      Seasoned Ace
      21 days ago

      Hi Goodywood  (2nd time today)

      I've just tested with my own save file.

      1. open No-EP06 save (disable EP06)
      2. Find one of my Gym Trainer NPCs who is generated before. (same work shift as current in-game time)
      3. Export him to my library.
      4. Deleted him.
      5. Save as new file -- Still No-EP06

      6. Enable EP06, open the No-EP06---> now this is Have-EP06 save file.
      7. Import him into the current save file. (Don't play him)
      8. Go to the gym that he's assigned before. (Ex. If he is in Willow Creek gym, go to the same gym)
      9. He should appear as the Gym Trainer.

      10. If you see another sim instead (Ex. Premade). Maybe because there are assigned sim already. Your imported NPC won't come until there is only him as the trainer role.
      --> go to play them in live mode to remove the role.
      11. Come back to try again. He should appear if it works.

      -------

      By the way, I want to suggest another mod that will help you check the career of NPC in your game

      ----> https://www.curseforge.com/sims4/mods/show-sim-info by Frankk (or this link in his own website https://frankkmods.com/#/mods/show-sim-info )

      (The original mod before being adopted by another modder is https://modthesims.info/d/576053/show-search-sim-info-mod.html but it's obsoleted. You can see how this mod works here)

      With this mod, you can search and check whether your imported NPC still has the same role (career) or not.

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      About how to make sure that the Export-Import method will work properly...

      1. Have to be from the same start (Ex. have to be No-EP06 that you used to "save as" to be the main save).
      2. Make sure that no other already assigned NPC before. (If there are any, remove their roles first)

      This is all I know right now. It's hard to know every process you did, but what you said before should work. So sorry that I can't find how to fix your case.

      But it may be because the different of game settings, mods you have, and your MCCC setting. (I don't use "create sim from library", this may be the difference of us, but just speculation) 

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      Lastly, if we can't find a way to import properly as I did. You may...

      1. (In your current main save) Add many of your unemployed townie sims to your game. Keeping them "unplayed" (light green icon).
      2. Wait for them to appear as the NPC roles in each lot by visiting that lot.
      3. If premade sims are assigned instead. "make them played (like my early suggestion)" and try again
      4. After many retries, you will eventually get the designated (or acceptable) townie NPC.

       

      For example...

      A. I like to let elder premade sims be assigned to be bartenders at rarely visited bars in the midnight shift. So they won't be assigned to another role anymore.
      B. For my favorite bars of community lots, I will retry visiting many times until the game randomly picks the townies I love to see as NPC. 

      This can be done without mods. Just using a lot of time and patience. 😂

       

      That's all that I can do now. From this month to next month I will be busy and can't be active in the forum, so I may answer later than usual. So, if you have more questions about NPC, you may open the new thread instead. At least you will have more chances to get answers from other people before I come back. (And I may know new information too)

      Anyway, I'm so glad that I can share the information I had with you until now. I hope that some methods can help you set a save file. At least I already point out how "Get Famous" makes the game-changing.

      • Goodywood's avatar
        Goodywood
        New Adventurer
        17 days ago

        Okay. I'll try again coloncocon . I'm getting a bit nervous about this because I feel I'm not doing it right. 

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