Sims 4: A Disappointment?

Really wanted to make a separate topic but sims forum rules are dumb so I have to post in a topic at least somewhat sharing my thoughts. Sims 4 is bad for many reasons, especially on console, but I didn't come to rant. I legitimately hate that time management is just completely unimmersive trash on consoles(since we don't get mods) and haven't touched the game in years because I grew tired of how fast a day ends and how little time you really get to do anything. Ik this isnt a new issue on consoles so I was wondering if they added SOMETHING to help with this. If not, thanks for answering and sadly I'll have to wait until sims 5.

I'm disappointed to read so many times how many mods are needed to make TS4 'fun'. Or to fix reoccurring bugs that seem to come back over and over. I'm disappointed with how they have nerfed things like how long it takes to have a meal with the family (ten seconds) and or how they nerfed other things, too. I'm disappointed the vanilla game has so many problems that there is literally a mod to fix just about anything instead of Maxis.

"Cinebar;c-17988842" wrote:
I'm disappointed to read so many times how many mods are needed to make TS4 'fun'. Or to fix reoccurring bugs that seem to come back over and over. I'm disappointed with how they have nerfed things like how long it takes to have a meal with the family (ten seconds) and or how they nerfed other things, too. I'm disappointed the vanilla game has so many problems that there is literally a mod to fix just about anything instead of Maxis.

I agree with you as mods should not be used to fix what the developer are supposed to fix but it is necessary as I look at how long it takes the developer to address them. Now mods that enhance or add what the developer could have is always welcome as long as it is done right.

"Faraway_Son;c-17939680" wrote:
@GirlFromIpanema ...consoles, of course. I'm glad you enjoy the game as it is. It has many moments of pure enjoyment!! I'm just a whiner, never satisfied with my lot!

Seems like you were slapped down for saying it as it is and had to backpedal so now you're apologizing for criticizing. I think your criticisms were valid. Modders did ride to the rescue with great inventiveness, to overcome the limitations of Sims4 as primarily a dress-up dollhouse, with sims who will do whatever you want, with whomever, and accept it all with vapid grins. Good sims have no problem getting with evil sims. Evil sims only giggle maniacally once on a while, they never initiate any evil actions. Nothing really matters, and there are no limits to test because in the end, traits don't mean much except getting Inspired or Tense once in a while, but it all goes away if you stand next to a nice painting. The game is a puppet show for kiddies.

I do love Windenburg and feel a little intrigue about family history was built in, similar to but paler than, the intrigues of townies in sims3 and sims2 especially.

The music is also top tier, and so is the building. The graphic style is very cartoon, smooth, and plastic compared to Sims2 and Sims3 on highest graphic settings. It's astonishing to me that those old games look better up close on high graphic settings, than Sims4.

I've only been playing for the last 3 months, after 6 years away from the game, because it had no content then. I love The Sims 2, and spent hundreds of hours on my royal kingdom and Legacy challenges. I had it heavily modded to make it into a medieval game. :D For The Sims 3, I didn't play it quite as much, as I had to have it heavily modded just to run. I couldn't save my game without the Nraas mods. I currently don't have any mods or CC in my Sims 4. I might get CAW when it comes out, but I don't feel like I need anything else yet, I'm still getting used to the 16 packs I either just got or never played over the years.

@Calico45... good point, well made. I'm still on the fence regarding CoL...I should just buy it and learn to love it.

"Mstybl95;c-17966994" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17965802" wrote:
It has to be somewhat disappointing to many or they would remove their mods and play it as it is built. They don't just have mods to enhance their game like when we played older games (like live on a business lot etc.) but to actually change it to be more like TS2 and TS3. They don't seem to realize exactly what they are modding and or why because I can see their mods make it as close to the older games as possible. Go figure, if you loved it the mods that do that wouldn't be there.

To be fair, though, I love the previous games so much, but I recognize the pitfalls of the current even though I do mod it to be closer to sims 2. It doesn't come close...no amount of mods can truly fix this mess. I still play both, actually I also play 3, too. The differences are apparent. The past two iterations were actual simulation games. This one is not a simulator. It's got crummy AI and the sims don't act humanoid most of the time.

True about the AI as EA/Maxis do not tweak it like they should.

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"Cinebar;c-17979386" wrote:

"haneul;c-17978938" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-17978888" wrote:

"simesmerized;c-17976959" wrote:
I uninstalled Sims 4 a few months ago. I say this because I don't miss it that much. I do sometimes miss building and decorating. They did a good job with that. And sometimes I miss a few sims. But I would often start up the game, get into it and find myself bored and quit. I feel like it was a two part problem. The first being that perhaps I "outgrew" the series. The second being that I felt like Sims 4 never had the challenge and charm that it's predecessors had. The Sims were too easy to look after, the careers too easy to climb. The Sims themselves felt like they lost their endearing charm and quirkiness. They smiled throughout their little pixel lives with hardly any change in emotion. And random deaths? They all but never happened. All the packs in the world couldn't fix what was lost.

(I will have to say though that I appreciate that Sims 4 crashed a TON less/had less problems than Sims 3 for me.)

I think you have summed it up very well. That is how I feel, too. Maybe it doesn't crash like TS3 did for some because it has less to keep up with than TS3 does. The Sim also doesn't have any depth when it comes to memoires, they live in the moment. So, when they see a loved one cheat they don't really react how we would expect (older games) because one, either it's condoned to betray a loved one and or they have short term memory and don't know they shouldn't be happy and grinning and wanting to be friends with the other.

Just as an FYI, the developers have been working on this for the Sims 4. So now sims can and do feel sad if another sim they're close to (relationship-wise, not just physically) is sad. They also react negatively to cheating. When the game first game out, they absolutely had no reaction - it's not like that anymore.

Well, interesting. Exactly what is the first thing a Sim does when they see their mate cheat on them in their own house? Forget the moodlet, which never matched the expression on their face, what does the Sim do about it? I would guess still not much. I assume TS4 still feels slapping the cheater and the other is not proper so they continue to allow the Sim who was cheated and betrayed to be a doormat. How long does it take the cheated Sim to turn and want to be friends with the other? It used to be instant, what happens now?

@Cinebar I've not personally experienced cheating in my game, but I think they do actually slap the cheating sim if they catch them in the act.
Pleasant Sims did a video on the Sims 4 sentiments from the perspective of a Sims 2 player (link). The Sims 4 is still the Sims 4, though, so some moodlets might distort the kind of reactions players want.

Thank you. I will check it out. I had Sims live in the same house and nothing happened when I was playing. The wife had more interactions with the mistress and was never sad about anything. lol

"Cinebar;c-17981035" wrote:

"simgirl1010;c-17980866" wrote:
After seven years and possibly several more years of content to come I've learned to accept TS4 for what it is instead of brooding about what went wrong and why and fixated on features from TS2 and TS3. I'm thankful I had the opportunity to play all the previous versions but I'm really having fun with TS4. At the end of the day that's all that matters to me.

That's wonderful. I still have TS2 and still enjoy the drama when I do play it from time to time. It's a lot of fun even after seventeen years. I also have TS1 and TS3 installed on my old Win.7 pc. I sometimes drag it out and play those. But what I've not done is revisit TS4 in quite a few years. That's sad, and waiting to see what they do with it in case I think it's worth reinstalling because I did spend quite a bit on it before stopping. (But hoping for a more dramatic TS5 because I would love a new game). The original is even harder to play with all the Betty and Bob drama, and Mortimer is the worst Sim ever, lol, he is so hateful to my Sims. I would guess that game has the most drama of all of them if I compare how easy the games have become over the years. Sims were hard to get along in TS1.

If I was to install an old Sim game, it sure enough won't be Sims 4 as it does not feel like the others. I still have the older versions still installed on one of my systems but Sims 2 I have an problem with the black box when an sim walks.