Sims 4's development is ending?

I think its still too early for the sims 5...tbh I still play the sims 3

"@AuzzPanda;c-16303614" wrote:

"Gelysen;c-16301325" wrote:
I think the sims 4 has a longggg way to go and I'm very happy about it. The game doesn't feel like finished materialto me at all and theres loads of areas they can still explore, I also know quite some people who've always said ''I won't buy the sims 4 until they release pets'' that have bought the sims after pets came out and are now very much enjoying the game.

So if I already know 4-5 people who didn't want to buy the game before they released Cats & Dogs, I can imagine there being heaps more who thought exactly that, which would explain the growth of the game since Cats & Dogs was released.

There's also loads more stuff I would love to see in the sims 4, both new stuff and things like we had in other sims games. I loved the sims 3, but sadly even with a very new and beefy gaming pc it would load very slow and take forever to do certain things (With all the eps and stuffpacks installed and no cc)

So, you want to waist another 200$ instead until it does? Wouldn't you rather an actual game, aka one that holds its own as a base game? Like all other games in the world?

Some of us like The Sims 4. Infact, a huge majority prefer it. When you visit #theSims on Tumblr, or Facebook groups etc. its 90% Sims 4.

Considering The Sims 3 had to compete with The Sims 2 for the longest time, the adaption rate for TS4 is pretty damn high. The player base grew 40% in July - September 2017. Normally the Sims games by then are about to wind down, by The Sims 4 keeps growing.

And EA know this which is why they're investing in The Sims 4 more than any other Sims game (The Sims 4 console including DLC, The Sims Mobile launch).

So yeah, we want The Sims 4 to finish when it covers everything.

I'm sorry you're unhappy but I'm sure The Sims 2 and The Sims 3 are good enough.

But that's not a need to tell people they're wasting their money just because you don't like it. Evidence shows that's a minority statement.

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Also, the comment about the base games being complete is super subjective. The Sims 4 now has way more to offer than The Sims 3 base game even with all patches.

The Sims 3 base game barely has anything to do apart from go to work or rabbit holes. There's no skill or hobby objects apart from Guitar, Fishing, Gardening and Painting. Sims are basically all the same with the same interests when there's no variety in what Sims can do. There's very few avenues where Sims can explore.

The Sims 1 basically had nothing. Just the structure. The Sims 2 is probably the #1 base game.

The Sims 4 has more careers paths, more hobbies and activities for Sims to do (even down to a variety of musical instruments, workbenches etc), more venues to visit, more Create-A-Sim and Build Mode assets.

Why is it when staff blink people think a new pack is coming out yet the statement staff made about the schedule and service being completely different this time just cant get through peoples skulls?
There. Is. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Has. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Is. Not. Ending. Any. Time. Soon.

"somethingstellar;c-16305539" wrote:
Why is it when staff blink people think a new pack is coming out yet the statement staff made about the schedule and service being completely different this time just cant get through peoples skulls?
There. Is. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Has. No. Schedule.
Sims. 4. Is. Not. Ending. Any. Time. Soon.

EXACTLY! Some people just don't seem to get it - that this is now and not the way it was. Even a dev said a long time ago - THINGS CHANGE. I guess not everyone can accept it - but that is the way with things - they all change eventually. We just have to get with the program because the world is going to keep moving whether or not we jump on that merry-go round. Luckily most people do eventually jump aboard unless they want to be left behind.

"AuzzPanda;c-16303614" wrote:

"Gelysen;c-16301325" wrote:
I think the sims 4 has a longggg way to go and I'm very happy about it. The game doesn't feel like finished materialto me at all and theres loads of areas they can still explore, I also know quite some people who've always said ''I won't buy the sims 4 until they release pets'' that have bought the sims after pets came out and are now very much enjoying the game.

So if I already know 4-5 people who didn't want to buy the game before they released Cats & Dogs, I can imagine there being heaps more who thought exactly that, which would explain the growth of the game since Cats & Dogs was released.

There's also loads more stuff I would love to see in the sims 4, both new stuff and things like we had in other sims games. I loved the sims 3, but sadly even with a very new and beefy gaming pc it would load very slow and take forever to do certain things (With all the eps and stuffpacks installed and no cc)

So, you want to waist another 200$ instead until it does? Wouldn't you rather an actual game, aka one that holds its own as a base game? Like all other games in the world?

Uh no - this is the Sims. This is the way it works and the way it always worked and why the Sims is the best selling pc games of all times - because it is not like all those other games in the world and why so many of us are simmers. This is the Sims and I suggest if you are not happy with how it works and think the rest of the games you speak of in the world is better - I suggest you go play those games you think are so much better. Sims game work because they are constantly changing and renewing themselves through the life of each series. Unlike those other games you speak of - that often bore me to tears after seeing it never change where they at most add to it a new section. Sims though is almost a growing living thing, ever changing, ever building itself for the life of the game. It is why Sims game stand apart from ALL THOSE OTHER games - it's one of a kind.

Been a Simmer for over 18 years and like the way the game works just fine. It is amazing to see the game go from base game to last pack over many years - so look forward to the extended time allotted to sims 4. This formula works for The Sims - other wise it would not be the best selling game of all time.

Aren't you the same one also complaining of the Sims T rating? It's always been T rated and always will be. That's also never going to change. The games creator wanted it that way. Actually he said E or T.

"jackjack_k;c-16305493" wrote:

"@AuzzPanda;c-16303614" wrote:

"Gelysen;c-16301325" wrote:
I think the sims 4 has a longggg way to go and I'm very happy about it. The game doesn't feel like finished materialto me at all and theres loads of areas they can still explore, I also know quite some people who've always said ''I won't buy the sims 4 until they release pets'' that have bought the sims after pets came out and are now very much enjoying the game.

So if I already know 4-5 people who didn't want to buy the game before they released Cats & Dogs, I can imagine there being heaps more who thought exactly that, which would explain the growth of the game since Cats & Dogs was released.

There's also loads more stuff I would love to see in the sims 4, both new stuff and things like we had in other sims games. I loved the sims 3, but sadly even with a very new and beefy gaming pc it would load very slow and take forever to do certain things (With all the eps and stuffpacks installed and no cc)

So, you want to waist another 200$ instead until it does? Wouldn't you rather an actual game, aka one that holds its own as a base game? Like all other games in the world?

Some of us like The Sims 4. Infact, a huge majority prefer it. When you visit #theSims on Tumblr, or Facebook groups etc. its 90% Sims 4.

Considering The Sims 3 had to compete with The Sims 2 for the longest time, the adaption rate for TS4 is pretty plum high. The player base grew 40% in July - September 2017. Normally the Sims games by then are about to wind down, by The Sims 4 keeps growing.

And EA know this which is why they're investing in The Sims 4 more than any other Sims game (The Sims 4 console including DLC, The Sims Mobile launch).

So yeah, we want The Sims 4 to finish when it covers everything.

I'm sorry you're unhappy but I'm sure The Sims 2 and The Sims 3 are good enough.

But that's not a need to tell people they're wasting their money just because you don't like it. Evidence shows that's a minority statement.

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Also, the comment about the base games being complete is super subjective. The Sims 4 now has way more to offer than The Sims 3 base game even with all patches.

The Sims 3 base game barely has anything to do apart from go to work or rabbit holes. There's no skill or hobby objects apart from Guitar, Fishing, Gardening and Painting. Sims are basically all the same with the same interests when there's no variety in what Sims can do. There's very few avenues where Sims can explore.

The Sims 1 basically had nothing. Just the structure. The Sims 2 is probably the #1 base game.

The Sims 4 has more careers paths, more hobbies and activities for Sims to do (even down to a variety of musical instruments, workbenches etc), more venues to visit, more Create-A-Sim and Build Mode assets.

Actually the base game was never meant to be a complete game but it was meant to be exactly what it is a called - a BASE game - in other words a stable FOUNDATION on which to build this particular series on. Never was the Sims base game meant to be anywhere near a full game. That would be like calling a house foundation built on an empty lot - your home - before the house is built on the foundation. It is why the foundation is just the bones on which to flesh out the series. It is why a base game should not have anything but the basics to start growing the game.

Let say you move out of your parents home into your very first apartment - do you miraculously have all the stuff in your new place your parents spend 2-3 decades or more adding to their house in your apartment - or are you like most people who are just moving to their first apartment - and move in with bare necessities and little by little you add to your apartment until you reach a point you can call it a home. You apartmment was your base game - your starting point - and needs to grow.

It's why I disagree when folks talk of adding seasons and pets - etc to a base game - as then it's not a stable foundation - it is then starting out like any other game out there. No longer a base game to build on, to grow, to change, and to finally reach completeness. Games with all kind of stuff in them are a dime a dozen - they are everywhere - but there is just ONE The SIMS game and that is what always makes it so special and so different than every other game out there. But no base game should ever be a complete stand alone game. It needs to grow.

"The Sims 4 was designed to take more content" - yea, sure. More like it was designed to take more dumbed down content, because that's the only way they can release more add ons for this game. They portion it into very small bits so we have the illusion it's doing well, better than TS3 did, but the truth is, TS4 is just like any other sims game. It has its limits and I really can't see it lasting more than 6 years or so.

I'm sure 2019 is not the last year for TS4 but speculating about a decade long lifespan is just ridiculous.

Here, I'll just put in a question from just one of the Investors and the resulting answer from one of EA's heads - and you tell me who is speculating what. This was just a few days ago at the 3rd quarter Earnings call:

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Operator
(Operator Instructions) And your first question comes from Goldman Sachs.

- Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division -
Research Analyst
So you called out live service revenue growth of 39% in the quarter, and I don't think we've seen that level of growth, quarterly growth since fiscal
'15. So I was wondering if you could help us understand the components of that a bit better, in particular, what drove such a strong acceleration
in growth.



Blake J. Jorgensen
- Electronic Arts Inc. -
Executive VP & CFO

The Sims 4 added a substantial amount to extra content live services.
The continuation of our successful content packages that we shipped with The Sims 4 was very strong during the quarter. And then as we brought The Sims 4 out on console, that also started that process for the console side of the equation. So we're excited about the continued long future of The Sims 4 down the road.

we are not speculating as you can see. That's one of the heads at EA that tells Maxis what they can and can't do - keep that in mind.

"Writin_Reg;c-16306699" wrote:

"agustd;c-16306673" wrote:
"The Sims 4 was designed to take more content" - yea, sure. More like it was designed to take more dumbed down content, because that's the only way they can release more add ons for this game. They portion it into very small bits so we have the illusion it's doing well, better than TS3 did, but the truth is, TS4 is just like any other sims game. It has its limits and I really can't see it lasting more than 6 years or so.

I'm sure 2019 is not the last year for TS4 but speculating about a decade long lifespan is just ridiculous.

Here, I'll just put in a question from just one of the Investors and the resulting answer from one of EA's heads - and you tell me who is speculating what. This was just a few days ago at the 3rd quarter Earnings call:

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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Operator
(Operator Instructions) And your first question comes from Goldman Sachs.

- Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division -
Research Analyst
So you called out live service revenue growth of 39% in the quarter, and I don't think we've seen that level of growth, quarterly growth since fiscal
'15. So I was wondering if you could help us understand the components of that a bit better, in particular, what drove such a strong acceleration
in growth.



Blake J. Jorgensen
- Electronic Arts Inc. -
Executive VP & CFO

The Sims 4 added a substantial amount to extra content live services.
The continuation of our successful content packages that we shipped with The Sims 4 was very strong during the quarter. And then as we brought The Sims 4 out on console, that also started that process for the console side of the equation. So we're excited about the continued long future of The Sims 4 down the road.

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we are not speculating as you can see. That's one of the heads at EA that tells Maxis what they can and can't do - keep that in mind.

"long future" is subjective. It can mean anything. Makes no sense to continue with TS4 for that much longer than previous iterations because the crippling amount of content is hurting sales in the long run. You're insinuating anything other than believing TS4 will be running for more than 6 years or so is speculation but I'm gonna say all we do here is speculation, your opinion as well.

All I'm getting from that is "we're going to continue releasing content for as long as it makes sense and since we're doing fine now we don't have a set in stone date" not "we are surely going to be releasing content much much longer than we did for previous games"

The CEO announced they were extending the shelf life of ALL of EA's big games with the Live service last year even - so not speculating at all. They are extremely pleased with the sells on Sims 4 - they talk about it at the Earnings call.