So Sims 4 is a young adult simulator ?

It has been since release. Game Changer Plumbella even takes it a step further and calls it a millennial simulator. I mean it's totally obvious even without anyone saying anything. Every pack or patch we get, 95-100% of it is dedicated solely to the YAs. Toddlers, kids, and obviously babies have gotten the short end of the stick for years. Teens and elders are only slightly better in that they both share clothes with the adults (no matter how unfitting the clothes may be), so they have that, but otherwise, they're in the same boat. None of them every get any new gameplay or they get the bare minimum. This game revolves around nothing but stereotypical modern millennial, technology and party obsessed gameplay and it's boring af.

"ListentoToppDogg;c-17443187" wrote:
It has been since release. Game Changer Plumbella even takes it a step further and calls it a millennial simulator. I mean it's totally obvious even without anyone saying anything. Every pack or patch we get, 95-100% of it is dedicated solely to the YAs. Toddlers, kids, and obviously babies have gotten the short end of the stick for years. Teens and elders are only slightly better in that they both share clothes with the adults (no matter how unfitting the clothes may be), so they have that, but otherwise, they're in the same boat. None of them every get any new gameplay or they get the bare minimum. This game revolves around nothing but stereotypical modern millennial, technology and party obsessed gameplay and it's boring af.

I think that is the saddest part.The sims are for making our own stories.But most of the stories the staff want to make is young adult simulator.

"ListentoToppDogg;c-17443187" wrote:
It has been since release. Game Changer Plumbella even takes it a step further and calls it a millennial simulator. I mean it's totally obvious even without anyone saying anything. Every pack or patch we get, 95-100% of it is dedicated solely to the YAs. Toddlers, kids, and obviously babies have gotten the short end of the stick for years. Teens and elders are only slightly better in that they both share clothes with the adults (no matter how unfitting the clothes may be), so they have that, but otherwise, they're in the same boat. None of them every get any new gameplay or they get the bare minimum. This game revolves around nothing but stereotypical modern millennial, technology and party obsessed gameplay and it's boring af.

I couldn't of said it any better!

Yeah, non-adult/young adult ages are clearly treated as temporary stages that the sim is expected to either age or die out of soon (even though playing with aging off is an option). The players are clearly expected to play with adults and young adults the most, and so those stages get the most stuff while other ages are neglected.

What bothers me the most is that players have been bringing this up for a while now, and yet none of it has ever been acknowledged and in fact the situation has only been getting worse. I still can't believe that the Realm of Magic pack had literally not a single thing for children and/or toddlers, not even cosmetic items.

I understand when people say that kids and younger are boring to play, but why adults and elders? Young adults, adults and elders have been able to do the same things since launch, not only in this game, but in TS3 as well, which means all the content added to young adults can also be used by these two other age groups. I don't really get most criticism towards elder gameplay. They can fish, they can paint, they can write. There's enough stuff for them to do.

As for children and toddler gameplay, I agree. I rarely play them, mostly because this type of gameplay doesn't interest me much, but maybe another reason is because they're boring to play. Toddlers should have more outdoor activities to do. I appreciate that they have the ball pit and a slide, but there could be so much more, like a swing for toddlers. Can toddlers swim in pools? If not, then that could also be an option. As for children, they should be able to do more stuff teens+ can do. As much as I know, they can't tend the garden or play any musical instruments besides the kids violin, so I'd like to see changes in there. Can children paint? If not, then they should be able to do that as well. Occult children should also be able to use their abilities, atleast the easier ones. Spellcaster children should be able to do magic, maybe not the complex spells but atleast a few for beginners. Vampire children should also have a thirst need like teens and older. I can understand that it's too hard to make them drink blood from other sims, but they could still drink plasma fruits to manage their thirst. From a logical standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for vampire children to not have the same basic needs as adults.

I never play with child sims, because I always focus on completely maxing sims' skills and collecting things. That might be different if younger life stages would more complete, and you could properly play with them too. Though I would probably still stick to adults even if it were different.

However (!), I do really miss the completeness of younger, and even more so, elder sims. If only the cosmetic part. Because the world just seems so unbelievable now, because it is only filled with happy, energetic young adults. The world is just not complete without believable sims of all ages.



There is one weird thing I noticed though... There seems to be way much more cold weather clothes for child sims. It is so strange! There's relatively so much choice for them. While for adults, specifically females, it really seems like a whole portion of the content was simply forgotten to be added. Every time I dress a female adult sim for weather I am baffled about it again, and just can't believe they intendedly released a seasons game with so little clothes for it. So weird. haha

I keep hearing this and I... only partly agree.
It's an ADULT Simulator; kids are an afterthought. But:

1. There is absolutely no difference between YA and A in the game except wrinkles that you can remove in CAS without cheating.
2. I don't get the "Lack of activities for elder Sims" complaint. Except for Excessive Woohooing and going to the Gym, Elderly Sims can do everything Adult Sims can. And more importantly, I am 47 years old. My parents are almost 80 and they do the exact things they have always done. The "Classic Grandma" type of Elder literally died 30 years ago IRL. Today's elders are just like today's 50 year olds but listens to better music.

But yes, kids are an afterthought. TEENS are okay, because in this game, unlike sims 2 and 3, they actually look like realistic teens (that's a pet peeve of mine: people who think teens should look like 12 year olds and think that's "realistic").

"Beardedgeek;c-17444438" wrote:
I keep hearing this and I... only partly agree.
It's an ADULT Simulator; kids are an afterthought. But:

1. There is absolutely no difference between YA and A in the game except wrinkles that you can remove in CAS without cheating.
2. I don't get the "Lack of activities for elder Sims" complaint. Except for Excessive Woohooing and going to the Gym, Elderly Sims can do everything Adult Sims can. And more importantly, I am 47 years old. My parents are almost 80 and they do the exact things they have always done. The "Classic Grandma" type of Elder literally died 30 years ago IRL. Today's elders are just like today's 50 year olds but listens to better music.

But yes, kids are an afterthought. TEENS are okay, because in this game, unlike sims 2 and 3, they actually look like realistic teens (that's a pet peeve of mine: people who think teens should look like 12 year olds and think that's "realistic").

That's exactly what I was thinking and already partly addressed in my own post. It's actually quite infuriating to see people constantly asking for "elder activities" (that's probably also a big reason why knitting won the recent community vote), or complaining about elders in the game constantly being on the phone or the computer since they "can't know about this stuff", which is just a really ageist thing to say. People who wish for this stuff don't really seem to understand that today's elders are often really tech-savy and still do the same things they did when they were young, if it isn't too physically demanding. It's not like someone stops their lifelong hobby of fishing the day they turn 70, just to get in their rocking chair, start knitting and completely forget what a phone is.

I also agree with you on the teens. Actually, the more adult-like they are, the more I like them. I disabled Parenthood from my game because of the mood swings the teens had because it just looked like a huge parody of what actual teenagers are like (I've been one myself not too long ago and never experienced such random mood swings like the teens in the game). Concerning their heights, I also prefer them in TS4. In TS3, they look really really young and short and like they just recently became teens, like around 13 or 14 years old. They just look like shorter, unproportional adults which just seems weird to me. That's just not what they look like in real life. Don't get me wrong, I know there are teens in real life who are shorter/look younger than they are (I am myself really short and don't look a day older than 15), but those are the clear minority. I also don't get the people who say that the teens often look the same age (or even older) than their parents. Many years ago, someone here posted a selfie of a mother and her daughter to "prove" how they look the same age, but to me, they just looked the same age because of the mother's clothing style being very teen-like. Don't even get me started on all the preteen threads back then, a lifestage that really isn't needed in the game and whose only purpose would be purely cosmetic to close the huge height gap between children and teens.

I mean? Sure. But technically I wouldn't call it a millennial simulator. The youngest millennials are in their mid 20s now.
It's a Gen Z simulator.

"Huiiie_07;c-17444470" wrote:

"Beardedgeek;c-17444438" wrote:
I keep hearing this and I... only partly agree.
It's an ADULT Simulator; kids are an afterthought. But:

1. There is absolutely no difference between YA and A in the game except wrinkles that you can remove in CAS without cheating.
2. I don't get the "Lack of activities for elder Sims" complaint. Except for Excessive Woohooing and going to the Gym, Elderly Sims can do everything Adult Sims can. And more importantly, I am 47 years old. My parents are almost 80 and they do the exact things they have always done. The "Classic Grandma" type of Elder literally died 30 years ago IRL. Today's elders are just like today's 50 year olds but listens to better music.

But yes, kids are an afterthought. TEENS are okay, because in this game, unlike sims 2 and 3, they actually look like realistic teens (that's a pet peeve of mine: people who think teens should look like 12 year olds and think that's "realistic").

That's exactly what I was thinking and already partly addressed in my own post. It's actually quite infuriating to see people constantly asking for "elder activities" (that's probably also a big reason why knitting won the recent community vote), or complaining about elders in the game constantly being on the phone or the computer since they "can't know about this stuff", which is just a really ageist thing to say. People who wish for this stuff don't really seem to understand that today's elders are often really tech-savy and still do the same things they did when they were young, if it isn't too physically demanding. It's not like someone stops their lifelong hobby of fishing the day they turn 70, just to get in their rocking chair, start knitting and completely forget what a phone is.

I also agree with you on the teens. Actually, the more adult-like they are, the more I like them. I disabled Parenthood from my game because of the mood swings the teens had because it just looked like a huge parody of what actual teenagers are like (I've been one myself not too long ago and never experienced such random mood swings like the teens in the game). Concerning their heights, I also prefer them in TS4. In TS3, they look really really young and short and like they just recently became teens, like around 13 or 14 years old. They just look like shorter, unproportional adults which just seems weird to me. That's just not what they look like in real life. Don't get me wrong, I know there are teens in real life who are shorter/look younger than they are (I am myself really short and don't look a day older than 15), but those are the clear minority. I also don't get the people who say that the teens often look the same age (or even older) than their parents. Many years ago, someone here posted a selfie of a mother and her daughter to "prove" how they look the same age, but to me, they just looked the same age because of the mother's clothing style being very teen-like. Don't even get me started on all the preteen threads back then, a lifestage that really isn't needed in the game and whose only purpose would be purely cosmetic to close the huge height gap between children and teens.

Exactly.

Quite frankly people who in 2020 don't think 80 year olds know how to use a smartphone probably don't have any living relatives over the age of 45. Not being mean, it's just the logical conclusion.
My parents are not tech savvy. But they have lived their lives after WWII, which means they have used modern computers at work, they have used increasingly modern phones, TVs and internet connections since forever (well Internet came somewhere around 1998 to most people). Mom was a secretary for an University proefessor and dad was responsible for budgets at a defense contractor. So yeah, staring at computer screens was basically what they did since mid 1980s forth.
Edit: and before anyone says anything, Rural people are just as used to tech. Have you seen a modern combine harvester? Between the AC, the built in semi-auto navigation system controlled by GPS and a ton of other tech they are basically Tesla cars, but cooler. And slower). Or modern milking machines? Or...

ALL TVs sold today are flat, smart, and has wifi connection built in. You have to special order phones that are not smartphones. Sure, mom calls me sometimes when googling for a solution to a computer issue isn't helping. But that is on another level, it's like asking everyone using a car to be a car mechanic, which hasn't been necessary since the 1920s.

And again, there is absolutely no difference in game between YA and A.