"ApparentlyAwesome;c-16430578" wrote:
"cactusjuice;c-16429926" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16429828" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16429268" wrote:
"stilljustme2;c-16428757" wrote:
If MFP hadn't included the C&D related content (pet objects and CAS), would people feel better about the pack?
If it would have included different stuff instead it at least wouldn’t have been a DLC for DLC pack. But I think people are mad about the small animals not being in the EP and the furniture that clearly is part of the same set as in C&D as well.
I agree that the problem seems to be that people still hasn’t accepted that EA now is making both fewer EPs and the remaining EPs smaller than previous EPs. But I don’t think that EA ever will reverse that change.
"jackjack_k;c-16423261" wrote:
"@Cinebar;c-16419622" wrote:
No one raised a 'stink' because Store Content in TS3 are extras and not stuff packs. It's like buying custom content, that is the essence of the TS3 store. And the DLC for DLC stuff pack requires I have an EP if I want to use all the content in it. If I don't have C&D then I don't get any benefit out of a new pet bowl recolor and pet clothes. For the first time ever, I needed an EP to get full benefit out of a stuff pack. That is the difference. TS3's store was like buying all the custom content I could find but paying EA instead of TSR paysite. Paysites must die. I will never pay for CC. However, I was willing to fork out a few dollars (not many) for content from the TS3 store. I will not pay for DLC for DLC which requires I have an EP or other pack to be able to use all the content in the DLC.
That's your perspective, Stuff Packs are extras too.
And there was DLC for DLC on The Sims 3 store too, just saying. So if you're angry at this, you can't then say it was alright in The Sims 3.
Yeah, you keep just saying this, while people keep explaining to you (like Goldmoldar now) that that is really not comparable. Sims 4 SP’s aren’t extras. With 4 EP’s, 6 GP’s and 14 SP’s they’re much more than ‘an extra’. They’re 63% of all extra content offered.
The Sims 3 Store could maybe be seen as extras. But the Sims 4 SPs are clearly meant to be replacements for EPs (just like the GPs also are).
But Erpe why should people accept it, I think a clear message was sent to them with My First Pet and Toddlers etc. Maybe they tested the waters and were surprised at the backlash they received and hopefully will continue to receive, after all plummeting sales make stockholders nervous...
This.
I don't accept it. I don't buy it because I don't accept it. I love this series and I don't mind change if that change is for the better but more times than not during The Sims 4 change hasn't been good.
I, for the most part, like to think along the lines of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' but changes like improvements for the better and progression are fine. Content wise, fixes and improvements were definitely needed and I respect and even like some of what they did and tried to do. The old way of doing things pack wise wasn't broken though, and I don't think the current way they're doing it improves or progresses anything in an overall good way.
If they said they planned to do away with SP's and just do EP's, I would've been disappointed but I wouldn't have minded as much. If they said they were going to do a Sims 4 Store, it would have to be improved from The Sims 3 Store, more affordable and all content decent at least. When they said they'd add GP's I was a bit skeptical, in part because SP's and EP's are already packs for the game, why add another pack, but I was willing to be proven wrong. But with its addition combined with the changes to what EP's and SP's have become is not a better system to me. It's just spreading out content over a two or three packs when it used to be that a combination of two to three packs in TS4 would equal one EP of better quality in TS3, TS2, or TS1.
"Erpe;c-16429942" wrote:
“Vote with your wallet and not with your mouth!” This is an old truth that has been mentioned many times and for all games - not just for EA games or Sims games.
The problem has many times been that people send mixed signals to the game companies when they protest in forums and other places but still just buy the games. This only has the effect that the game companies have stopped listening to opinions from gamers and look at the sales numbers instead.
I won't lie, it kinda blows when I see other people talking about how much they hate things being this way, how they hate the way packs are being done but they have to buy it because... I've heard it all. I'm a collector... It has this one item/feature... I have to buy everything Sims... I NEED something new to do in my game... they won't make a Sims 5 if we don't support 4... etc. etc.
I'm not going to tell anyone how to spend their money, and judging from a lot of the comments I've seen on different sites from people who say those things they already know the answer, but how is EA ever going to grasp that there's a problem if people who think there is a problem still purchase what in essence is the problem? They're not, but it's up to each player, if they take issue with The Sims 4, to decide what their redline is and clearly some of them haven't reached it yet regardless of what they may say.
In regards to the main topic, I think I've said this before somewhere. SP's do not equal to TS3's store when TS3 also had SP's. Even with this new way of them doing things, it still doesn't. Not to me. I'm not a collector who has to have everything but it's the closest way I can describe my feelings on it. The stuff packs and expansion packs felt more like the official Sims 3 releases, same for The Sims 2. I didn't have to have all of them but to complete the game but there's something about knowing that these are the packs for the game. I can count on one hand the number of times I went to The Sims 3 Store while the game was still releasing packs and that was only because they were giving me free simpoints but I didn't need anything from the store. The game provided plenty to keep me glued. The store was just extra stuff and they didn't have packs of store content to buy in stores beyond a few of the worlds. They decided to put out copies of this specific content in stuff packs and that ranks over a store set to me.
The Sims 3 Store wasn't fantastic by any means and it didn't matter like the packs do and that's why these packs in TS4 feel like a harder blow. It's one thing to just feel cheated by the store because it felt like extra content that didn't matter, it was easy to ignore. But by majority of the packs (and the base game too)? That matters to me.
I have to agree Sims 4 even with the improvements it is still not enough to say Sims 4 left me with good memories only controversy after controversy and less features with only items to hide the features or make one not notice.
